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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by Notorial Dissent » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:03 am

Scathing doesn't even begin to describe those comments. Warms my heart it does. :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by Dolly » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:29 pm

The White House just posted the emails of critics — without censoring sensitive personal information
Some of the emails include not only full names but actual addresses and phone numbers.

The White House just responded to concerns it would release voters’ sensitive personal information by releasing a bunch of voters’ sensitive personal information.
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A lot of people did not like the idea, fearing that their personal information could be made public. So some sent emails to the White House, demanding that it rescind the request.

This week, the White House decided to make those emails from concerned citizens public through the commission's new website. But the administration made a big mistake: It didn’t censor any of the personal information — such as names, email addresses, actual addresses, and phone numbers — included in those emails.

In effect, the White House just released the sensitive personal information of a lot of concerned citizens giving feedback to their government. That’s made even worse by the fact that the White House did this when the thing citizens were complaining about was the possibility that their private information would be made public.

As of Friday afternoon, the emails are still uncensored and available on the White House’s website. They include all sorts of feedback, from concerns about privacy to outright insults of the Trump administration. One email just links to an image of the terrifying pornographic meme Goatse. (Do not Google this if you value your eyes.)

“DO NOT RELEASE ANY OF MY VOTER DATA, PERIOD,” said one person whose full name and email address were subsequently released in the collection of emails.

The White House website does now warn about the possibility of personal information going public: “Please note that the Commission may post such written comments publicly on our website, including names and contact information that are submitted.” But it’s not clear if the people who sent emails to the White House knew of this before the commission’s website went up this week. <SNIP>
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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by bob » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:54 pm

If I knew this feedback was going to go viral, I would have asked Kobach if he still had any doubts about Obama's birthplace. (Because Taitz would jump at a chance to be "helpful.")
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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by RTH10260 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:10 am

Dolly wrote:
The White House just posted the emails of critics — without censoring sensitive personal information
Some of the emails include not only full names but actual addresses and phone numbers.

The White House just responded to concerns it would release voters’ sensitive personal information by releasing a bunch of voters’ sensitive personal information.
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It was not put up as webpage(s) but a pdf file, so now all that information has been shared hundreds of thousand of time accross the globe. Nigerian spammers will like it.

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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by Addie » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:43 pm

TIME
The Voter Fraud Commission's First Meeting Is Already Marred by Backlash

President Trump’s commission examining allegations of rampant voter fraud will meet in public for the first time Wednesday amid a backlash of its own making.

The panel, led by Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, came under fire from state officials for requesting sweeping data about voters, including voting history and Social Security numbers.

Made up of seven Republicans and five Democrats, the commission is tasked with examining and comparing state voter rolls and federal databases to identify potential cases of double voting and pinpoint weaknesses in the election system. But critics say its flawed design suggests it is a fishing expedition to justify Trump’s unsupported contention that millions of illegal voters cast ballots for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

More than a half-dozen privacy watchdogs, good government groups and civil liberties organizations have sued the commission, alleging that it fails to comply with federal transparency laws, improperly collects and fails to properly secure voter records, among other complaints.
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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by RTH10260 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:59 am

Addie wrote:TIME
The Voter Fraud Commission's First Meeting Is Already Marred by Backlash

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More than a half-dozen privacy watchdogs, good government groups and civil liberties organizations have sued the commission, alleging that it fails to comply with federal transparency laws, improperly collects and fails to properly secure voter records, among other complaints.
Has anyone already requested a TRO to stall the proceedings?

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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:22 pm

Here's a state where it's easy to register to vote.

http://www.dmv.org/sd-south-dakota/vote ... ration.php
Voter registration in South Dakota is quick and easy. You'll just need to complete a brief form and submit it in person or by mail. You can even register to vote when you get your driver's license.
This is how it used to be in a lot of places, but not any more. Can you guess what's different in South Dakota?

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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:28 pm

AndyinPA wrote:Here's a state where it's easy to register to vote.

http://www.dmv.org/sd-south-dakota/vote ... ration.php
Voter registration in South Dakota is quick and easy. You'll just need to complete a brief form and submit it in person or by mail. You can even register to vote when you get your driver's license.
This is how it used to be in a lot of places, but not any more. Can you guess what's different in South Dakota?

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I'm not sure what point you're making. MS is about as red as it gets and our voter registration is about 5 questions long, can be mailed or dropped off, and even has a place to draw a map in case you don't have a street address. When I registered to vote in TX it was pretty much the same thing.

ETA: http://www.sos.ms.gov/Elections-Voting/ ... ration.pdf

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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:32 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
AndyinPA wrote:Here's a state where it's easy to register to vote.

http://www.dmv.org/sd-south-dakota/vote ... ration.php
Voter registration in South Dakota is quick and easy. You'll just need to complete a brief form and submit it in person or by mail. You can even register to vote when you get your driver's license.
This is how it used to be in a lot of places, but not any more. Can you guess what's different in South Dakota?

:think:
I'm not sure what point you're making. MS is about as red as it gets and our voter registration is about 5 questions long, can be mailed or dropped off, and even has a place to draw a map in case you don't have a street address. When I registered to vote in TX it was pretty much the same thing.

ETA:http://www.sos.ms.gov/Elections-Voting/ ... ration.pdf
South Dakota is pretty white. They aren't worried (yet) about the wrong people voting.

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:41 pm

AndyinPA wrote:
Sugar Magnolia wrote:
AndyinPA wrote:Here's a state where it's easy to register to vote.

http://www.dmv.org/sd-south-dakota/vote ... ration.php



This is how it used to be in a lot of places, but not any more. Can you guess what's different in South Dakota?

:think:
I'm not sure what point you're making. MS is about as red as it gets and our voter registration is about 5 questions long, can be mailed or dropped off, and even has a place to draw a map in case you don't have a street address. When I registered to vote in TX it was pretty much the same thing.

ETA:http://www.sos.ms.gov/Elections-Voting/ ... ration.pdf
South Dakota is pretty white. They aren't worried (yet) about the wrong people voting.
MS isn't very white at all and our voter registration is simple. Rhode Island is very white and their registration is almost identical to ours. Can you give me an example of a state where it is hard to register to vote?

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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by neeneko » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:25 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote: MS isn't very white at all and our voter registration is simple. Rhode Island is very white and their registration is almost identical to ours. Can you give me an example of a state where it is hard to register to vote?
I can comment a little on PA a little bit.

What has generally happened in PA is that for some people it has become easier, and other people it has become harder, depending on how much pre-existing documentation you have. Kinda like the old 'grandfather' literacy tests from the Jim Crow era, people already in the new system and people like them are set, but getting in now requires significant documentation.

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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by ZekeB » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:36 pm

When I moved here from there they asked if I'd wish to register to vote when I got my IA drivers license. They just ran it through the computer based on nothing but my OR drivers license.

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:50 pm

neeneko wrote:
Sugar Magnolia wrote: MS isn't very white at all and our voter registration is simple. Rhode Island is very white and their registration is almost identical to ours. Can you give me an example of a state where it is hard to register to vote?
I can comment a little on PA a little bit.

What has generally happened in PA is that for some people it has become easier, and other people it has become harder, depending on how much pre-existing documentation you have. Kinda like the old 'grandfather' literacy tests from the Jim Crow era, people already in the new system and people like them are set, but getting in now requires significant documentation.
I think you're confusing voter registration and voter ID requirements at the polls. PA doesn't require any ID to register to vote, just your PA DL number or the last 4 of your SSN.
https://www.pavoterservices.pa.gov/docu ... nglish.pdf

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Post by ZekeB » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:53 pm

I voted early. The clerk asked my name. He found my registration and then asked what my address was. He then went and got the appropriate ballot and sent me to the Group W bench to fill out my ballot.

Oh, did I tell you I'm white?

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Post by RVInit » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:49 pm

In Florida this is the documentation you have to show to get an ID or Driver's license.

1. Passport that is valid/unexpired OR original/certified copy of birth certificate OR certificate of naturalization from DHS

AND

2. Valid driver's license OR marriage certificate OR School record that shows your date of birth

AND

3. Any TWO of the following: 1) Florida voter registration card 2) W-2 or 1099 or 3) Florida vehicle registration or title

Anybody starting to see some possible issues? Keep in mind you can't vote without a Florida DL or Florida ID


In my county they closed every single location where you can get a driver's license or ID, except one. It is 50 miles from where I live. It is located almost on the very southern border of a county where the poorer areas are generally located at the very northern side of the county. Many of these poor areas are more than 80 miles from the only location they can get ID to vote. See number 3 above and think about it a little bit. Keep in mind you need 2 of the 3, not 1 of the 3.
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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by June bug » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:10 pm

Unbelievable, RV. Could they be any clearer about their intention to keep poor people out of the voting booth?

Not to mention, why in the world do you need #2 if you have #1(proof of citizenship and date of birth) and two of #3 (proof of Florida residency)?

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Post by Whatever4 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:56 pm

So as a retired non-driver, I couldn't even get a state ID? Even if I'm white? Wow. :shock:
Edit: ETA-- I just looked. The last category is proof of Florida residence, and they give examples. Deed, mortgage, or lease works, as do other unnamed docs. White people get more examples.
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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:17 pm

RVInit wrote:In Florida this is the documentation you have to show to get an ID or Driver's license.

1. Passport that is valid/unexpired OR original/certified copy of birth certificate OR certificate of naturalization from DHS

AND

2. Valid driver's license OR marriage certificate OR School record that shows your date of birth

AND

3. Any TWO of the following: 1) Florida voter registration card 2) W-2 or 1099 or 3) Florida vehicle registration or title

Anybody starting to see some possible issues? Keep in mind you can't vote without a Florida DL or Florida ID


In my county they closed every single location where you can get a driver's license or ID, except one. It is 50 miles from where I live. It is located almost on the very southern border of a county where the poorer areas are generally located at the very northern side of the county. Many of these poor areas are more than 80 miles from the only location they can get ID to vote. See number 3 above and think about it a little bit. Keep in mind you need 2 of the 3, not 1 of the 3.
FL is a member state of the national REAL-ID program. Your #3 is actually
Customers may not use their current driver license or ID card as proof of residential address. Customers must submit TWO different documents with their residential address (printouts or faxes of these documents are acceptable). Residential address documents include, but are not limited to:
•Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, mortgage payment booklet or residential rental/lease agreement;
•Florida voter registration card;
•Florida vehicle registration or title (print a duplicate registration at www.GoRenew.com);
•Utility bill;
•A utility hook up or work order dated within 60 days prior to the application;
•Automobile payment booklet;
•Selective service card;
•Medical or health card with address listed;
•Current homeowner insurance policy or bill;
•Current automobile insurance policy or bill;
•Educational institution transcript forms for the current school year;
•Unexpired professional license issued by a government agency in the U.S.;
•W-2 form or 1099 form;
•Form DS2019, Certificate of Eligibility for Exchange Visitor (J-1) status;
•A letter from a homeless shelter, transitional service provider or a half-way house verifying they receive mail for the customer. The letter must be accompanied by a Certification of Address form;
•Mail from financial institutions including checking, savings or investment account statements;
•Mail from federal, state, county or city government agencies; or
•FDLE registration form completed by local sheriff’s department.
https://www.flhsmv.gov/driver-licenses- ... s-citizen/

Making people go to the ends of the earth for an ID or DL is bullshit, but it applies equally to someone getting a new driver's license too, not just voter ID. Jackson has a grand total of 1 testing site and it frequently takes multiple return days to actually take the test if you don't get in line early enough. The line starts forming around 6:30 for an office that opens at 8:00. Our state law says that the test must be given by a sworn trooper and we are so short on troopers at this point that they closed a bunch of the testing offices and put the troopers back on the road. The troopers resist changing the law to allow civilians to do the testing and the legislators say if we have to pay them trooper salaries they need to be on the road being troopers.

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Post by neeneko » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:42 am

Sugar Magnolia wrote: I think you're confusing voter registration and voter ID requirements at the polls. PA doesn't require any ID to register to vote, just your PA DL number or the last 4 of your SSN.
https://www.pavoterservices.pa.gov/docu ... nglish.pdf
Ah, you are correct, I got things a bit scrambled.

I was originally writing a post about how PA republicans fought back against the 'motor voter' stuff a while back and then I guess I jumped tracks and somehow ended up with the 'id to vote' end of things.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:06 am

Just throwing this out there so see how crazy/not so crazy it might be.

I live in SWFL, a little red beacon in mostly blue southern Florida. I'm registered as a democrat. Since I fear we'll be targeted in voter suppression efforts, would it be worth my time to register as an independent? Would that remove the target from my back?

However, I actually live in a very red district. If they target us, will it be by registration only or will they go by districts? Maybe people living in the few blue districts around Fort Myers would be better served.

Sadly, if I changed my registration from democrat, I'd have to resign my membership in the local democratic club here in my town. Their only requirement is registering as a democrat. I enjoy those meetings, finally getting the chance to talk politics, a subject taboo in my neighborhood if I want to get along with everyone.

I realize this sounds paranoid but I truly believe a lot of dems will suddenly find themselves unable to vote in 2018.

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Post by Lani » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:34 am

Someone Is Selling More Than 40 Million Voter Records on the Dark Web
“Financial gain is not the primary reason for the activity.”
More than 40 million voter records from at least nine states are being offered for sale on a dark web forum, and the seller claims to have records for an additional 20 to 25 states, according to Dark Reading, a news organization focused on information security.

The data was discovered by Jonathan Tomek, the director of threat research at LookingGlass Cyber Solutions, a cybersecurity services firm. The “dark web” refers to a part of the internet accessible only via a special internet browser that allows for semi-anonymity. The voter data for sale includes first, last, and middle names, voter ID numbers, birthdates, voter status, party affiliation, and addresses for some voters in Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Washington state.
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:00 am

http://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-vo ... commission
Florida voters cancel their own registration. Is Trump's fraud commission the cause?

Mary Jane Arrington, supervisor of elections in Osceola County — which had 76 cancellations in the 2017 period compared to 13 in 2016 and nine in 2015 — cited voter unease with the commission as a chief reason.

"It really upsets people that their phone numbers, their email address — they give it to us to communicate about voting or absentee ballots — (will) become public record," Arrington said. "That bothers them immensely. We tell the voters when they're (cancelling registration) that we can't guarantee their information is not going to be sent. People are really upset. They want to know what it's going to be used for. We can't answer those questions."

In some counties, however, many of the cancellations can be attributed to a routine process that prunes voter rolls in off-election years. During these periods, counties send out forms asking voters to update their registration. If a voter replies "I'm no longer here," then that's considered a request for removal.

In Manatee County, for example, 253 voters requested their removal during the 20-day period of 2017, compared to three in 2016 and 22 in 2015, the previous maintenance year. It turned out the county had moved up its 2017 roll maintenance to fall in that period, which may have inflated the number of cancellations. Also, neither Manatee or St. Lucie, which had 487 cancellations, distinguish between whether voters cancelled because they were contacted or cancelled because of concerns about privacy related to the data request.
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Re: Voter Fraud

Post by Addie » Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:01 pm

Associated Press
Iowa woman who tried to vote twice for Trump gets probation

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - District court Judge Robert Hanson said in a sentencing order posted Tuesday that the felony election misconduct conviction will be expunged from Terri Lynn Rote's record once she completes probation and pays the fine.

Rote, who is 56, pleaded guilty last month.

Rote, a Trump supporter, was arrested Oct. 21 after showing up at a Des Moines early voting site to cast a second ballot for Trump in the Nov. 8 election. She told police she believed Trump's claims that the election was rigged and she feared her first ballot would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton.
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Post by Addie » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:42 pm

NBC News
Schumer Calls on Trump to Disband Vote Fraud Panel After Charlottesville

Sen. Chuck Schumer called on President Donald Trump on Thursday to dissolve his controversial vote fraud commission, blasting it as a voter suppression tool pushing the agenda of the same white supremacists who violently protested in Charlottesville.

"When the president began his 'Election Integrity Commission,' it raised a lot of eyebrows," Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a post published on the website Medium. "But now, given what’s happened in the last several weeks, we’ve entered a new world and it’s even more important that the commission be disbanded."

Schumer charged that the president failed to unite the country after the deadly clash of white supremacists and counter-protesters in the Virginia college town on August 12 and condemned Trump's initial remarks as part of the administration’s "methodical and pernicious" way of promoting discrimination.

He called the vote fraud panel and Department of Justice "wolves in sheep’s clothing" for their recent efforts to collect a massive amount of detailed nationwide voter data, which critics fear could be used to purge legal voters from the rolls.

"They are a ruse. Their only intention is to disenfranchise voters," Schumer wrote. "This is how the appalling failure to use the right words and stand up to hate in the aftermath of Charlottesville is made real in the form of policy; they are two edges of the same sword."
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Post by Addie » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:25 pm

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N.H. Senators Say Trump Voter Fraud Panel Is Using State Data To Mislead The Public

New Hampshire's secretary of state said Friday he will remain on an advisory commission to President Trump, though he disagrees with voter fraud allegations made by the panel's vice chairman about his state.

All four members of New Hampshire's congressional delegation called on fellow Democrat and Secretary of State Bill Gardner to step down from the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity in response to a Breitbart column by Republican Kris Kobach published Thursday.

Kobach, commission vice chairman and Kansas secretary of state, said newly released data about how many people failed to get New Hampshire driver's licenses after using out-of-state licenses for voter registration is proof of fraud that likely led to U.S. Sen. Maggie Hassan's victory over Republican incumbent Kelly Ayotte in November. ...

The "proof" Kobach referred to was data showing that of the 6,540 people who registered to vote in New Hampshire on Election Day in November using out-of-state driver's licenses, only 15 percent had acquired New Hampshire licenses by this month. But state law allows someone to be domiciled in New Hampshire for voting purposes and be a resident of another state for driver's licensing purposes -- for example, students attending college in New Hampshire.

Democrats accused Kobach of misleading the public by using irrelevant data to rehash false claims.
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