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Magic Mushrooms - Decriminalize or Not?

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue May 07, 2019 12:32 pm

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-de ... story.html
Denver voters consider the next frontier in decriminalizing drugs: magic mushrooms

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Post by HST's Ghost » Tue May 07, 2019 8:03 pm

I'm 100% on decrim/legalization, but even with weed, I think there should be some mandatory classes involved, not just a unit in health studies in high school, so that users are give a fair and broad overview of historical use, benefits and drawbacks, actual health issues etc. Even to the degree that use of "Magic mushrooms" and other entheogens should require the accompaniment of a licensed professional.
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Post by neonzx » Tue May 07, 2019 10:51 pm

I don't have much first-hand (ahem) research on this. Only came up for me once a couple decades ago. A friend scored four front row/center tickets to a U2 show (the pop mart tour). Preshow, he and the rest of us partied a bit, and my friend with the tickets had shrooms. He'd done before and he said wait until we get to the the concert to eat them (no, nobody was driving, the apartment was a 10 minute walk). It was the most amazing concert I have ever experienced.

Until the last 30 minutes when that high wore off and the experience became mundane.

BUT.

The next day, I had to road trip a couple hours back home with another friend-of-my-friend who joined us. And I start having visual hallucinations -- which as I understand is fairly common - flashbacks. Nothing drastic like things appearing that were not there, but ordinary objects that appeared to me altered. (ie. dried leaves, blowing through grass, I perceived as rats scurrying around)

That was the first and last time.

So I'm not a big fan of this legistration.
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Post by Dan1100 » Tue May 07, 2019 10:57 pm

Controlled medical use with titrated doses and professionals or even psuedo-professional homeopathic types supervising, sure legalize it.

Decriminalize it so that no one goes to jail (or at least get let go as soon as they stop tripping), sure absolutely.

But in dispensaries like weed in Colorado, I have my doubts about whether that's really a good idea.
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Post by Mr. Gneiss » Wed May 08, 2019 1:19 am

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/07/psychedelic-magic-mushrooms-denver-election/
A ballot measure that would make Denver the first city in the nation to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms is lagging in early results.

Initiative 301 is behind 53.54 percent, or 61,250 votes, to 46.46 percent, or 53,140 votes, in results released at 10 p.m.

Even if the measure passes, it remains illegal to buy, sell or possess psilocybin mushrooms. Possession of psychedelics is a felony and can carry a punishment of up to a year in prison and a fine.

However, the initiative, if approved, would decriminalize the drug in Denver by telling police that enforcing laws against the possession of “magic mushrooms” should be their lowest priority. If approved, Denver will create a panel to oversee the effects of the ordinance.

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Post by kate520 » Wed May 08, 2019 1:34 am

I think I’m for it. My limited experience contained no negatives, at least in my memory. It was a fun day.

Sprout ate some last year. I wish I could say he knew what he was in for...it helps to prepare. For almost a week afterward he would say every day “Huh. Still no anxiety.” Then it came back. I don’t think he’s done them again. He gained insight into his GAD and it was generally more mild afterwards.

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Post by Mr. Gneiss » Wed May 08, 2019 7:45 pm

The measure narrowly passed. From the Denver Post.

Denver first in U.S. to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms

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Post by neonzx » Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 pm

kate520 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 1:34 am
I think I’m for it.
Natural substances. Mostly they won’t kill ya. Mostly.
Well, my opinion only, and I am not trying to be a prude, but the age old argument of being 'natural' (as occurring in nature) does not green-light stuff. Cyanide is 'natural'. Just because something exists doesn't make it 'ok' to consume. I hate that argument because it is false.
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Post by Sluffy1 » Wed May 08, 2019 8:20 pm

neonzx wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 pm
kate520 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 1:34 am
I think I’m for it.
Natural substances. Mostly they won’t kill ya. Mostly.
Well, my opinion only, and I am not trying to be a prude, but the age old argument of being 'natural' (as occurring in nature) does not green-light stuff. Cyanide is 'natural'. Just because something exists doesn't make it 'ok' to consume. I hate that argument because it is false.
Marijuana, peyote and psilocybin don't need any sort of processing. Pick and eat.
There isn't a Cyanide berry that I'm aware of.

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Post by neonzx » Wed May 08, 2019 8:33 pm

Sluffy1 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 8:20 pm
neonzx wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 pm
kate520 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 1:34 am
I think I’m for it.
Natural substances. Mostly they won’t kill ya. Mostly.
Well, my opinion only, and I am not trying to be a prude, but the age old argument of being 'natural' (as occurring in nature) does not green-light stuff. Cyanide is 'natural'. Just because something exists doesn't make it 'ok' to consume. I hate that argument because it is false.
Marijuana, peyote and psilocybin don't need any sort of processing. Pick and eat.
There isn't a Cyanide berry that I'm aware of.
Reasonable, but how do we control this? I'll bite. How do we control this if it's legal... so that teens aren't all wacked and dropping out (which is what they do today with THC). I'm open.
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Post by Dan1100 » Wed May 08, 2019 8:47 pm

Sluffy1 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 8:20 pm
neonzx wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 pm
kate520 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 1:34 am
I think I’m for it.
Natural substances. Mostly they won’t kill ya. Mostly.
Well, my opinion only, and I am not trying to be a prude, but the age old argument of being 'natural' (as occurring in nature) does not green-light stuff. Cyanide is 'natural'. Just because something exists doesn't make it 'ok' to consume. I hate that argument because it is false.
Marijuana, peyote and psilocybin don't need any sort of processing. Pick and eat.
There isn't a Cyanide berry that I'm aware of.
Bitter almonds are the cyanide berry, aren't they?

There are plants that you can pick and eat for the trip that can also kill you or seriously screw up your health. Jimson weed comes to mind.
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Post by Estiveo » Wed May 08, 2019 8:52 pm

Or a lovely cup of oleander or hemlock tea.
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Post by MsDaisy » Wed May 08, 2019 8:55 pm

neonzx wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 10:51 pm
I don't have much first-hand (ahem) research on this. Only came up for me once a couple decades ago. A friend scored four front row/center tickets to a U2 show (the pop mart tour)
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Here’s one concert I’d loved to have attended! (If ya’s got speakers, turn'em ALL the way up!) Also too I can read lips (mostly because I’m ½ deaf), but at the 7:58 mark Jimmy Page says the word “fucking”, and having a British husband & nephews I’m pretty sure the next word was “hell”, and I have to agree.

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Post by Estiveo » Wed May 08, 2019 8:55 pm

Or a lovely cup of oleander or hemlock tea.
Edit: ETA, I did a lot of drugs back in the day, and mushrooms were not my friend. LSD, however... :mrgreen:
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Post by HST's Ghost » Wed May 08, 2019 8:56 pm

neonzx wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 8:33 pm
Sluffy1 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 8:20 pm
neonzx wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 pm

Well, my opinion only, and I am not trying to be a prude, but the age old argument of being 'natural' (as occurring in nature) does not green-light stuff. Cyanide is 'natural'. Just because something exists doesn't make it 'ok' to consume. I hate that argument because it is false.
Marijuana, peyote and psilocybin don't need any sort of processing. Pick and eat.
There isn't a Cyanide berry that I'm aware of.
Reasonable, but how do we control this? I'll bite. How do we control this if it's legal... so that teens aren't all wacked and dropping out (which is what they do today with THC). I'm open.
I mentioned the need for a strong educational and regulatory system. Of course, it is already nearly impossible to make something that grows naturally in a massive amount of locations and doesn't require any distilling.
You can't do mushrooms every day. If you do a huge dose under the proper circumstances, with a great degree of personal knowledge of what you are taking or under the guidance of someone who is knowledgeable, you may not want or need to do them again for quite a long time, and you might find yourself not wanting to abuse any of the legal drugs. Again, the Entheogens should be approached as truly powerful medicine - natural but very powerful. The Schedule One assignment has kept a lot of academic and experimental studies from being done, Before prohibition in the '60s, there were some very positive results with LSD and alcoholism. Brazilians in Ayahuasca-based churches are not doing it all the time to be wacked-out...
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Post by RoadScholar » Wed May 08, 2019 9:01 pm

All I know is, not everyone who takes psychedelics ends up acting like Hunter Thompson. ;)
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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed May 08, 2019 9:07 pm

RoadScholar wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 9:01 pm
All I know is, not everyone who takes psychedelics ends up acting like Hunter Thompson. ;)
Or even Andy Kaufman.

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Post by ZekeB » Wed May 08, 2019 9:15 pm

RoadScholar wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 9:01 pm
All I know is, not everyone who takes psychedelics ends up acting like Hunter Thompson. ;)
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Post by neonzx » Wed May 08, 2019 9:57 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 9:07 pm
RoadScholar wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 9:01 pm
All I know is, not everyone who takes psychedelics ends up acting like Hunter Thompson. ;)
Or even Andy Kaufman.
yeah yeah... yeah. :daydream:
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Post by Azastan » Wed May 08, 2019 11:09 pm

Sluffy1 wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 8:20 pm

There isn't a Cyanide berry that I'm aware of.
No, but there IS a ricin bean. You may know it better as Castor Bean.

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