Duncan Hunter (CA-50) and wife indicted for misuse of campaign funds

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fierceredpanda wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:48 pm
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What are his choices besides guilty? No contest?
The distinction between guilty and no contest pleas is so technical as to be meaningless. I suppose he could be going with my personal bete noir and entering an Alford plea (i.e., "I am totes maintaining my innocence, but it sure does look like Mr. Prosecutor over there has the goods to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, so please convict me anyway and let me benefit from a plea bargain, Your Honor.")
I agree with your remark that the difference between a guilty plea and an "no contest" plea is very slight and ordinarily meaningless. One caveat: I believe that in the federal system the prosecutor has to consent to the entry of an Alford plea. If a federal prosecutor is inclined to permit a defendant to take an Alford plea, there are strict guidelines to follow, as well as and high-level approvals that must be obtained in advance.

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The prosecutor has to approve an Alford plea in all jurisdictions of which I am aware, not just federal courts.

Mostly, I was just taking the opportunity to insert a non sequitur rant about how I hate the idea of Alford pleas. Apologies.
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#KUSINews Exclusive: Congressman Duncan D. Hunter (@Rep_Hunter) announces that he will plead guilty to one count of misuse of campaign funds.

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With guilty plea, Hunter is certain to also resign from Congress. That will create 5th vacancy - Katie Hill, Cummings, Chris Collins, Duffy, Hunter.
Magic # for impeachment will be 216.
With 233 Dems, 196 Rs, 1 Indy (Amash, a likely yes on impeach).
Sure about that? :think:
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In an exclusive #KUSINews interview, Congressman Duncan D. Hunter says his "only hope is that the judge does not sentence my wife to jail."@Rep_Hunter's change of plea hearing will be before Judge Thomas J. Whelan on December 3, 2019.

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just pleaded guilty to count 1 of the Aug. 2018 federal indictment charging him with knowingly and willfully converting campaign funds to personal use. The charge includes a birthday dinner for his daughter at the Hotel Del in Coronado + a DC dinner
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Is he required to resign now?

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Kendra wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:30 pm
Is he required to resign now?
No.

And this is a sweetheart deal for Hunter. He and his wife were indicted on 60 counts. I haven't read the indictment in a while, but IIRC, most of them were related to Duncan at least in part. I smell the hand of Bill Barr in this plea deal.

But to answer your question, the House could (and should) expel him if he doesn't resign.

He and Chris Collins were the first two Congresscritters to endorse BenadickDonald. Both were re-elected while under indictment. Both are now awaiting sentencing. Criminals love Drumpf!
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TexasFilly wrote:
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But to answer your question, the House could (and should) expel him if he doesn't resign.
It takes two-thirds of a chamber (i.e., 290 for the House) to remove a member. But I expect the Republicans will find a way to cushion Duncan's pain in exchange for them not being force to stand for a vote about kicking him out.
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TexasFilly wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:13 pm
Kendra wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:30 pm
Is he required to resign now?
No.

And this is a sweetheart deal for Hunter. He and his wife were indicted on 60 counts. I haven't read the indictment in a while, but IIRC, most of them were related to Duncan at least in part. I smell the hand of Bill Barr in this plea deal.

FWIW:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/d ... -plea.html
“No figure, regardless of what office they occupy, should be allowed in this country to cry ‘witch hunt’ or ‘fake news’” to distract attention from criminal wrongdoing, Phillip Halpern, another of the prosecutors, said outside the courthouse.

Mr. Halpern said the prosecution was satisfied with obtaining a guilty plea on a single charge because convicting Mr. Hunter on the dozens of other charges in the indictment would not have increased his sentence. “We got the major count,” he said.

Mr. Hunter is scheduled to be sentenced on March 17 and faces a maximum of five years in prison, though a lesser sentence is more likely. Mr. Halpern said prosecutors would seek prison time but would not ask for the minimum Mr. Hunter serves to exceed one year.

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TexasFilly wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:13 pm
Kendra wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:30 pm
Is he required to resign now?
No.

And this is a sweetheart deal for Hunter. He and his wife were indicted on 60 counts. I haven't read the indictment in a while, but IIRC, most of them were related to Duncan at least in part. I smell the hand of Bill Barr in this plea deal.
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Me: “Congressman Hunter, when are you stepping down from Congress?”

Hunter: “Hey! Good talk.”

For context: Duncan Hunter is back in the Capitol today after pleading guilty yesterday to conspiracy to misuse campaign funds.
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neonzx wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:35 pm
ABBC3_SPOILER_SHOW
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Me: “Congressman Hunter, when are you stepping down from Congress?”

Hunter: “Hey! Good talk.”

For context: Duncan Hunter is back in the Capitol today after pleading guilty yesterday to conspiracy to misuse campaign funds.
Hi Neon. :wave:

Your post leads me to this question. If he doesn't resign, what happens when he has to report to prison?
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Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:23 pm
If he doesn't resign, what happens when he has to report to prison?
Assuming Hunter doesn't resign but is ordered to report before this session ends, Hunter will be in prison. And Congress will go on without him.

And he'll still collect his paycheck and the assorted benefits.

Unless the House removes him.
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Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:23 pm
neonzx wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:35 pm
ABBC3_SPOILER_SHOW
Melanie Zanona @MZanona

Me: “Congressman Hunter, when are you stepping down from Congress?”

Hunter: “Hey! Good talk.”

For context: Duncan Hunter is back in the Capitol today after pleading guilty yesterday to conspiracy to misuse campaign funds.
Hi Neon. :wave:

Your post leads me to this question. If he doesn't resign, what happens when he has to report to prison?
There once was a loony Congressman from Ohio named James Traficant:
In 2001, Traficant was indicted on federal corruption charges for taking campaign funds for personal use. Again, he opted to represent himself, insisting that the trial was part of a vendetta against him dating back to his 1983 trial. After a two-month federal trial, on April 11, 2002, he was convicted of 10 felony counts including bribery, racketeering and tax evasion.[1] Per House rules, he lost his right to vote on legislation pending an investigation by the United States House Committee on Ethics.
Eventually, the House Ethics Committee recommended that Traficant be expelled from Congress. On July 24 the House voted to expel him by a 420–1 vote.[19] The sole vote against expulsion was Representative Gary Condit, who at the time was in the midst of a scandal of his own and had been defeated in his reelection primary.[20] Traficant was the first representative to be expelled since Michael Myers's expulsion in 1980 as a result of the Abscam scandal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant

He was expelled two weeks before he showed up for prison. He died as a result of a tractor accident; of course there are CTs that he was murdered.
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https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... ting-house
Following guilty plea, Duncan Hunter barred from voting in the House
Stripped of committee assignments and banned from voting, his role in Congress is diminished
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Kendra wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:39 pm
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... ting-house
Following guilty plea, Duncan Hunter barred from voting in the House
Stripped of committee assignments and banned from voting, his role in Congress is diminished
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I’m thoroughly confuzzled. If he’s not allowed to vote doesn’t that disenfranchise his constituents? I’m certainly not suggesting he should continue to vote, merely not understanding why they simply don’t vote to rescind his presence altogether. :confused:
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He plans to resign. I read it on the innertoobs today.
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Well, they voted for him after he was indicted.
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Sunrise wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:52 pm
Kendra wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:39 pm
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/ ... ting-house
Following guilty plea, Duncan Hunter barred from voting in the House
Stripped of committee assignments and banned from voting, his role in Congress is diminished
:swoon: :banana: :bunny: :happyfamily:
I’m thoroughly confuzzled. If he’s not allowed to vote doesn’t that disenfranchise his constituents? I’m certainly not suggesting he should continue to vote, merely not understanding why they simply don’t vote to rescind his presence altogether. :confused:
His constituents re-elected him knowing he was almost certainly going to be found guilty (granted, by a just a small margin this time). They're OK with being disenfranchised, as long as it's by a republican.

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Sunrise wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:52 pm
I’m certainly not suggesting he should continue to vote, merely not understanding why they simply don’t vote to rescind his presence altogether.
Formal removal from office would require a supermajority vote from the full House.

And the House is busy presently trying to remove someone else from a different office. :blink:
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Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:57 pm
He plans to resign. I read it on the innertoobs today.
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