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Post by Lani » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:35 am

Justice Department Argues Against Providing Soap, Toothbrushes, Beds To Detained Kids
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A Justice Department attorney this week argued in court that the federal government should not be required to provide soap, toothbrushes or even beds to detained children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Government lawyer Sarah Fabian argued Tuesday before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit that forcing children to sleep on cold concrete floors in cells is both “safe and sanitary.”


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Lani wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:35 am
Justice Department Argues Against Providing Soap, Toothbrushes, Beds To Detained Kids
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost ... 9a8b0d/amp
A Justice Department attorney this week argued in court that the federal government should not be required to provide soap, toothbrushes or even beds to detained children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Government lawyer Sarah Fabian argued Tuesday before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit that forcing children to sleep on cold concrete floors in cells is both “safe and sanitary.”
The prison industry will like this and do away with matrazes and cots, like in any Third World country, you remember, those shitholes :twisted:



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RTH10260 wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:26 am
Lani wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:35 am
Justice Department Argues Against Providing Soap, Toothbrushes, Beds To Detained Kids
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost ... 9a8b0d/amp
A Justice Department attorney this week argued in court that the federal government should not be required to provide soap, toothbrushes or even beds to detained children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Government lawyer Sarah Fabian argued Tuesday before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit that forcing children to sleep on cold concrete floors in cells is both “safe and sanitary.”
The prison industry will like this and do away with matrazes and cots, like in any Third World country, you remember, those shitholes :twisted:
I doubt that. The Ninth Circuit judges made it pretty clear they thought the government’s arguments were not only ludicrous but unlawful. They even got the government lawyer to basically concede the bed issue.


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https://www.vox.com/2019/6/21/18700575/ ... -telemundo
Trump is trying to rewrite the history of his family separation policy before 2020
In two new interviews, Trump tries to pin blame on Obama. He has nobody to blame but himself



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Kendra wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:25 pm
https://www.vox.com/2019/6/21/18700575/ ... -telemundo
Trump is trying to rewrite the history of his family separation policy before 2020
In two new interviews, Trump tries to pin blame on Obama. He has nobody to blame but himself
The Trump supporters will believe anything Trump tells them, especially if it reflects poorly on Obama.

Unless journalists refute Trump's claim, others may also buy Trump's explanation.


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Post by Somerset » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:12 pm

Kendra wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:51 am
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SAN FRANCISCO (CN) – The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities.

All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco, in which the Trump administration challenged previous legal findings that it is violating a landmark class action settlement by mistreating undocumented immigrant children at U.S. detention facilities.

“You’re really going to stand up and tell us that being able to sleep isn’t a question of safe and sanitary conditions?'” U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Berzon asked the Justice Department’s Sarah Fabian Tuesday.

U.S. Circuit Judge William Fletcher also questioned the government’s interpretation of the settlement agreement.

“Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Fletcher asked Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary.”

The settlement at issue came out of Jenny Lisette Flores v. Edwin Meese, filed in 1985 on behalf of a class of unaccompanied minors fleeing torture and abuse in Central America.
I'm thinking that "reaching across the aisle" and working with these folks "with warmest personal regards" isn't what I'm looking for in a President...



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Post by Addie » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:28 pm

NYRB - Andrea Pitzer
‘Some Suburb of Hell’: America’s New Concentration Camp System ...

At the heart of such policy is a question: What does a country owe desperate people whom it does not consider to be its citizens? The twentieth century posed this question to the world just as the shadow of global conflict threatened for the second time in less than three decades. The dominant response was silence, and the doctrine of absolute national sovereignty meant that what a state did to people under its control, within its borders, was nobody else’s business. After the harrowing toll of the Holocaust with the murder of millions, the world revisited its answer, deciding that perhaps something was owed to those in mortal danger. From the Fourth Geneva Convention protecting civilians in 1949 to the 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child, the international community established humanitarian obligations toward the most vulnerable that apply, at least in theory, to all nations.

The twenty-first century is unraveling that response. Countries are rejecting existing obligations and meeting asylum seekers with walls and fences, from detainees fleeing persecution who were sent by Australia to third-party detention in the brutal offshore camps of Manus and Nauru to razor-wire barriers blocking Syrian refugees from entering Hungary. While some nations, such as Germany, wrestle with how to integrate refugees into their labor force—more and more have become resistant to letting them in at all. The latest location of this unwinding is along the southern border of the United States.

So far, American citizens have gotten only glimpses of the conditions in the border camps that have been opened in their name. In the month of May, Customs and Border Protection reported a total of 132,887 migrants who were apprehended or turned themselves in between ports of entry along the southwest border, an increase of 34 percent from April alone. Upon apprehension, these migrants are temporarily detained by Border Patrol, and once their claims are processed, they are either released or handed over to ICE for longer-term detention. Yet Border Patrol itself is currently holding about 15,000 people, nearly four times what government officials consider to be this enforcement arm’s detention capacity. ...

In addition to the total of detainees held by Border Patrol, an even higher number is detained at centers around the country by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency: on a typical day at the beginning of this month, ICE was detaining more than 52,500 migrants. The family separation policy outraged the public in the 2018, but despite legal challenges, it never fully ended. Less publicized have been the deaths of twenty-four adults in ICE custody since the beginning of the Trump administration; in addition, six children between the ages of two and sixteen have died in federal custody over the last several months. It’s not clear whether there have been other deaths that have gone unreported.
Adding:
HuffPo: 4 Severely Ill Migrant Toddlers Hospitalized After Lawyers Visit Border Patrol Facility

The kids were unresponsive, feverish and vomiting, yet receiving no medical care, according to lawyers.
Think Progress: The Trump administration’s secret family separation policy



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Post by SLQ » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:08 pm

Somerset wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:12 pm
Kendra wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:51 am
https://www.courthousenews.com/feds-tel ... hout-soap/
SAN FRANCISCO (CN) – The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities.

All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco, in which the Trump administration challenged previous legal findings that it is violating a landmark class action settlement by mistreating undocumented immigrant children at U.S. detention facilities.

“You’re really going to stand up and tell us that being able to sleep isn’t a question of safe and sanitary conditions?'” U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Berzon asked the Justice Department’s Sarah Fabian Tuesday.

U.S. Circuit Judge William Fletcher also questioned the government’s interpretation of the settlement agreement.

“Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Fletcher asked Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary.”

The settlement at issue came out of Jenny Lisette Flores v. Edwin Meese, filed in 1985 on behalf of a class of unaccompanied minors fleeing torture and abuse in Central America.
I'm thinking that "reaching across the aisle" and working with these folks "with warmest personal regards" isn't what I'm looking for in a President...
I wonder if Barr was around when this appeal was filed? If not, who authorized it? They'll be lucky if they don't get hit with a frivolous appeal.


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They're going to start hiding them better. I didn't know until yesterday that they had already dispersed them to all 48 mainland states.


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Gregg wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:06 am
They're going to start hiding them better. I didn't know until yesterday that they had already dispersed them to all 48 mainland states.
Ohh - much nearer to the real Christian foster families that will turn them into fine law abiding Republican citizens and voters... :twisted:



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Dear
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: Your #BeBest Ambassadors may want to visit

1. Detention camps where
@realDonaldTrump
Administration is arguing it doesn't have to provide soap, toothbrushes & toothpaste

2.
@HRW
HQ where they will explain how US assisted Saudi coalition has killed lots of children



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Post by Volkonski » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:51 pm

Acting Border Chief Expected to Resign as Migrant Children Are Returned to Texas Facility
A border station in Clint, Tex., where hundreds of migrant children were being held.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/m ... tw-nytimes
The Customs and Border Protection agency’s acting commissioner, John Sanders, is expected to step down in the coming weeks as the government’s primary border enforcement executive, a federal official said Tuesday, a development that comes as the agency faces continuing public fury over the treatment of detained migrant children.

The news of the resignation came shortly after agency officials disclosed that more than 100 children have been returned to a troubled Border Patrol station in Clint, Tex., a location where a group of lawyers who visited recently said hundreds of minor detainees had been housed for weeks without access to showers, clean clothing, or sufficient food.

Mr. Sanders has led the agency since President Trump tapped the former Customs and Border Protection commissioner, Kevin McAleenan, to replace Kirstjen Nielsen as homeland security secretary. Mr. Sanders specialized in developing technology for national security initiatives and previously served as the chief technology officer for the Transportation Security Administration.

The official who confirmed his resignation, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter, said it was not clear whether the impending resignation was connected to recent criticism over the agency’s management of a large influx of migrant families along the border.


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The Customs and Border Protection agency’s acting commissioner, John Sanders, i
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Post by Turtle » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:50 am

They're showing a really messed up picture on all the non-Trump outlets. Father and daughter from El Salvador drowned at I think the southern border of Mexico.



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On CNN New Day this morning one of the panelists they had on while discussing the incident/photo above was a CNN analyst who came from Central America from her family when she was the same age as the young girl who died with her father. Really impassioned speech she made, very moving.

Hosts also said they are going to keep on naming father and daughter and showing the photo, disturbing as it is, to keep the focus on them and keeping the conversation going.



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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... zfgdwqWpZv

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Asylum officers urged a U.S. appeals court Wednesday to block the Trump administration from forcing migrants to remain in Mexico while they await their immigration court hearings in the United States.

The officers, who have been directed to implement the program, say it is “fundamentally contrary to the moral fabric of our Nation and our international and domestic legal obligations.”
This is a developing story. It will be updated.



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Kendra wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:06 am
On CNN New Day this morning one of the panelists they had on while discussing the incident/photo above was a CNN analyst who came from Central America from her family when she was the same age as the young girl who died with her father. Really impassioned speech she made, very moving.

Hosts also said they are going to keep on naming father and daughter and showing the photo, disturbing as it is, to keep the focus on them and keeping the conversation going.

Until the President shows up at a strip club in Osaka and thinks the look alike Xi is the real thing and buys him a lap dance. Anything to get the spotlight!


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Post by Lani » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:51 am

New York(CNN Business) Bank of America will end its association with companies that provide prisoner and immigrant detention services at both the state and federal levels. The move comes amid growing public concern about the nation's border policies.

A spokesperson said Wednesday that Bank of America (BAC) has discussed the issue with its clients that provide those services. While the bank appreciates "steps they have taken to properly execute their contractual and humanitarian responsibilities," it ultimately decided to "exit the relationships."

"Lacking further legal and policy clarity, and in recognition of the concerns of our employees and stakeholders in the communities we serve, it is our intention to exit these relationships," the spokesperson said.
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Can you say "IG Farben?" I knew that you could...
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Gregg wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:36 am
Can you say "IG Farben?" I knew that you could...
Must have missed the pun - a tip for the dwellers overseas, please?



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Post by Gregg » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:53 pm

Company that got nuked after the war for enabling Hitler. The people who ran it were convicted of War Crimes.
Maybe, BofA is trying to not be IG Farben's banker. (Which was what is now Deutsche Bank as if history doesn't have a sense of humor)

It was literally the entire subject matter of a Business Ethics course I took in Grad School, and it is where Bayer, BASF and some other companies descended from.

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Oh, it just occurred to me you don't know who "Mr Rogers" is. It was a kids show and he taught vocabulary on the show sometimes by asking 'Can you say {today's new word} in a sing songy voice, and then answered himself "I knew that you could". Even in our jaded present, to Americans of my age give or take a decade still view "Mr Rogers" as a perfect non threatening guy. Today they'd think he was gay and toss him off the air. He was in fact a Presbyterian Minister and if there's any dirt to be found in his personal life, I've never heard it. He is honestly one of the few people in America besides George Washington you'd have trouble finding someone who didn't like him, and he never owned slaves. He was also the reason I know what a vegetarian is, when I found out he was one, I looked it up.
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