The Splitting up of Families

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BuzzFeed News: Trump Hoped Black Americans Would Be Down With His Immigration Plan — And They’re Still Not

But that hasn’t stopped black conservatives from hoping Trump's policies will appeal to black voters.
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US officials who have committed felonies -- provable felonies like lying on clearance forms, which should have led to their dismissal long ago -- are imprisoning parents who committed misdemeanors, and abducting and abusing children who did nothing.
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Is it just me or does he look more like Gavin than 45?
That is exactly what I thought as soon as I saw the picture. He damn sure looks like Gavin Seim or Seim looks like him.
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“We are a country of laws, and of compassion,” a federal judge said. An extraordinary rebuke.
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:flag: :yeah: Goosebumps...
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From The Hill -

Judge rules DHS must give asylum seekers individualized parole hearings

A federal district court judge ruled Monday that the Trump administration must consider on an individual basis whether undocumented immigrants who come to the U.S. seeking asylum represent a flight risk or a danger to their community before they can be detained if they've proven a credible fear of persecution.

Judge James Boasberg, on the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, issued a preliminary injunction blocking the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) from arbitrarily detaining asylum seekers.

The order stems from a class action lawsuit the ACLU filed on behalf of asylum seekers who have been denied parole even though ICE officials found they had a credible claim of persecution in their home countries, which is the first step toward gaining asylum status.

ACLU argued DHS violated its own parole directive and immigration law in an effort to deter other asylum seekers from coming to the country.

In his ruling, Boasberg said he was ordering DHS to follow a policy the government admitted it was required to follow.

“To mandate that ICE provide these baseline procedures to those entering our country – individuals who have often fled violence and persecution to seek safety on our shores – is no great judicial leap,” he said.

“Rather, the issuance of injunctive relief in this case serves only to hold defendants accountable to their own governing policies and to ensure that plaintiffs receive the protections they are due under the Parole Directive.”
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This is from the lawsuit by State of WA et al.:



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Post by GreatGrey » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:14 am

I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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Post by Turtle » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:50 am

Here is something similar, done by an immigration attorney:


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As a 10-year veteran reporter on the court beat, I have read countless legal documents, some quite brutal. You develop a thick skin. These were heart-wrenching. My eyes welled up writing excerpts.

I am pausing this thread for now and will return to it some other time.

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NEW: U.S. has nearly 3,000 separated migrant kids, will use DNA to find parents, HHS Sec. Azar says.

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What about those parents who have already been deported so their DNA is not readily available?
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Post by MN-Skeptic » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:40 pm

Or where a father has brought his children to the U.S. without realizing that he's not related to them biologically?
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Volkonski wrote:
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https:// twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1014921690537775104
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NEW: U.S. has nearly 3,000 separated migrant kids, will use DNA to find parents, HHS Sec. Azar says.

12:19 PM - 5 Jul 2018
What about those parents who have already been deported so their DNA is not readily available?
In other words, they admit they have lost control over the kids in their custody and have not kept track from whom they separated the kids.

Better call Child Protection Services onto the Border Patrol :!: :doh:

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Reverse separation

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Why they need DNA.
In fact, the Health and Human Services agency charged with overseeing the care of migrant children, the Office of Refugee Resettlement, established such procedures, which included identification bracelets, the issuance of registration numbers and careful logs to keep the records of parents and children linked.

But those precautions were undermined in some cases by the other federal agency that has initial custody of apprehended migrants in the first 72 hours after they cross the border — Customs and Border Protection. In hundreds of cases, Customs agents deleted the initial records in which parents and children were listed together as a family with a “family identification number,” according to two officials at the Department of Homeland Security, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the process.
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Lani wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:47 am
Why they need DNA.
In fact, the Health and Human Services agency charged with overseeing the care of migrant children, the Office of Refugee Resettlement, established such procedures, which included identification bracelets, the issuance of registration numbers and careful logs to keep the records of parents and children linked.

But those precautions were undermined in some cases by the other federal agency that has initial custody of apprehended migrants in the first 72 hours after they cross the border — Customs and Border Protection. In hundreds of cases, Customs agents deleted the initial records in which parents and children were listed together as a family with a “family identification number,” according to two officials at the Department of Homeland Security, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the process.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/us/m ... ation.html
Nothing can ever truly deleted out of a government computer database by an end user. Unless they went to a database admin and had them actually delete the record from the database. No database admin is going to do that unless he has a written order.

Somebody is covering something up. I'm calling bullshit on this. I don't know what happened, but it is not that some schmuck on the border deleted them without authorization.
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:53 am

Off topic but, literally, actually exactly what the thread title says is a 2018 documentary called "Three Identical Strangers" about triplets separated at birth in New York and adopted out.

Google it and maybe we should have a thread about this tragic story and SPOILER ALERT
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Dan1100 wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:57 am
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:47 am
Why they need DNA.
In fact, the Health and Human Services agency charged with overseeing the care of migrant children, the Office of Refugee Resettlement, established such procedures, which included identification bracelets, the issuance of registration numbers and careful logs to keep the records of parents and children linked.

But those precautions were undermined in some cases by the other federal agency that has initial custody of apprehended migrants in the first 72 hours after they cross the border — Customs and Border Protection. In hundreds of cases, Customs agents deleted the initial records in which parents and children were listed together as a family with a “family identification number,” according to two officials at the Department of Homeland Security, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the process.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/us/m ... ation.html
Nothing can ever truly deleted out of a government computer database by an end user. Unless they went to a database admin and had them actually delete the record from the database. No database admin is going to do that unless he has a written order.

Somebody is covering something up. I'm calling bullshit on this. I don't know what happened, but it is not that some schmuck on the border deleted them without authorization.
I've written software for a few government agencies. Every one of them that had any user screen where a user could delete from the system required extensive log tables. The original data could be recreated with no problem whatsoever. The idea that the data could be deleted by an end user with no log tables does sound suspect to me.
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Dan1100 wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:57 am
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Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:47 am
Why they need DNA.
In fact, the Health and Human Services agency charged with overseeing the care of migrant children, the Office of Refugee Resettlement, established such procedures, which included identification bracelets, the issuance of registration numbers and (snip)

Somebody is covering something up. I'm calling bullshit on this. I don't know what happened, but it is not that some schmuck on the border deleted them without authorization.
I've seen it a few times and posted somewhere... There have been reports that there isn't really a protocol for keeping track of the children of families. The reunification will be difficult as there has not been a system for this which is, as Obama's director said on NPR, why they tried so hard to not separate families. He said it was too easy for things to go wrong and that the parents would likely not see their children again until they were 18 Too many places the system can fail. If the parent is deported or imprisoned they will almost certainly lose parental rights. Below is a post where I am commenting about how the number of separated children is actually unknown since there is not any notation of whether that child was EVER with family--only that they are an unaccompanied minor.
Upthread, Danraft wrote: ...Surprisingly, there are not numbers for how many children are with families or unaccompanied. When brought in and separated, they are classified as unaccompanied. The classification system lacks sufficient classifications. If progress it to be made and statistics to measure the performance and needs of the system, this is an essential change. When Sessions said 80% of the 10,000 children in the system came across without their parents, that is clearly wrong. It is accurate to say 80% are classified as UM's, but no data exists for how many were originally with family but separated.

The case numbers assigned to each child should, within the ID itself, identify if accompanied and who they were associated. That would ease issues we have now identifying who the parents are for reunification, and that the person claiming to be the parent is indeed the parent. There are statements being made that the admin is reluctant to reunify a family because they have no proof that that person is the parent of the UM. It's asinine and the fault lays at our feet. I would hope DNA swabs are being taken and send to processing soon to alleviate such potential problems as refusing a parent their own child.
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Post by Volkonski » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:05 pm

Has HHS lost another child?

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Trump is set to separate more than 200,000 U.S.-born children from their parents

If you think the last few weeks of separating 2,300 children from their migrant parents along the southern border were heart-wrenching, imagine if 273,000 American-born children are separated from parents whose temporary protected status (TPS) is terminated. That is what could happen if the Trump administration’s decision to revoke TPS for Haitians, Salvadorans and Hondurans is allowed to take effect. ...

More than 100 times that number of children — all U.S. citizens — will be placed in similar jeopardy if the Department of Homeland Security begins programs to deport more than 58,000 Haitians on July 22, 2019, more than 262,000 Salvadorans on Sept. 9, 2019, and 86,000 Hondurans on Jan. 5, 2020. Parents will be faced with the decision of whether to take their children — most of whom speak mainly English and know only life in this country — back to countries deemed by the State Department as not safe for travel, some with the highest homicide rates in the hemisphere. ...

The TPS provision in the Immigration Act of 1990 states that after each 18-month review, if conditions have changed — and governments can adequately handle the return of their citizens, and the returnees can return in safety — then it can be terminated. It does not say it is okay to deport them even as governments say they would still be overwhelmed or that it is still unsafe.

The Trump administration’s TPS termination decision reversed the findings of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, their secretaries of state and secretaries of homeland security, and their legal advisers. They found conditions justified legally extending the temporary protected status after each of 14 reviews for Honduras since it was granted following Hurricane Mitch in 1999, each of 13 reviews for El Salvador following two earthquakes in 2001, and each of four reviews for Haiti following the worst earthquake in the region’s history in 2010.

The decision to terminate the temporary protected status appears blatantly political since it contradicted the evaluation of U.S. diplomats in each of the countries who sent cables urging extension of TPS. They wrote that deportation of TPS holders and their children would endanger the fragile economies in those countries, overwhelm the countries’ abilities to provide services, lead to more violence, and prompt new flows of migrants to our borders, thus undermining U.S. national security interests. The U.S. Southern Command, which covers Central and South America, came to the same conclusion. ...

The immediate answer is for the president to reverse the DHS termination decisions. The best answer for those U.S. citizen children is for Congress to authorize permanent residency for their parents now and a pathway to citizenship — they have been here for as long as two decades and have demonstrated they can contribute to our future — as immigrant parents in this country have done for almost 250 years.
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RVInit wrote:
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I've written software for a few government agencies. Every one of them that had any user screen where a user could delete from the system required extensive log tables. The original data could be recreated with no problem whatsoever. The idea that the data could be deleted by an end user with no log tables does sound suspect to me.
Agency A takes all details of a (illegal) immigrant into their database, then hands off the immigrant to agency B. Agency B has their own database and copies over what they need about the illegal alien. But they are not running a genealogy database so parents information is not registered. Kiddies get lost in the system....

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Numbers from govt. attorney on family reunification for kids under 5:
101 kids in custody
16 kids haven’t been matched to parents
46 parents in ICE custody
19 parents already deported
19 parents released into US
2 parents identified as unfit for release bc of criminal history


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The Trump admin argued in court that parents already deported should not be in the class to have their kids returned by court order. Judge just confirmed he does believe those parents are in the class.


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Clearer wording: The Trump admin is trying to say it shouldn’t be forced by the court order to reunite families it separated if it already deported the parent. The judge says it is.
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Volkonski wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:05 pm
Has HHS lost another child?

This one can't be blamed on them. The child was abandoned by his mother at Los Angeles Union Station Wednesday evening. There was at least one witness to the mother walking away, and there were tapes. It was reported on the local news; at some point the child's relatives came forward and he was turned over to them, according to local ABC7 news.

The mother returned to Union Station around 2pm and was arrested.

http://abc7.com/child-abandoned-at-unio ... y/3711850/
Mother arrested after child abandoned at Union Station, police say

DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- The mother of the little boy who was abandoned Wednesday night at Union Station has been arrested, police said Thursday.

The child was discovered around 7 p.m. Wednesday. Witnesses told police that the child was with a then-unidentified woman at a crepe cafe at Union Station.

Witnesses told authorities that the woman was wearing black yoga pants, a hat and sunglasses. At some point, the woman picked up the two black bags she had with her and left, leaving the child alone.

Later Thursday, police said they had reunited the boy with family members - who were not the same as the woman who left him at Union Station.

They said the boy's biological mother was arrested after she was seen back at Union Station Thursday around 2 p.m.
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This L A Times story has more details, and a nice photo of the interior of Union Station

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