The Splitting up of Families

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Post by SLQ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:45 am

Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 67c7edd070
Asked Tuesday about his administration missing a court-imposed deadline to reunite migrant children under age 5 with their parents, President Trump said he had “a solution.”

“Tell people not to come to our country illegally,” Trump told reporters. “That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally.”

Trump’s comments about fallout from his administration's “zero tolerance” policy on immigration came as he prepared to leave the White House on a week-long trip to Europe.
"Nice kids you got there. Be a shame if something happened to them."

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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:24 am

Unfortunately, you're preaching to the choir. How hard is it to grasp that? I do hope there's a special place in hell for Trump, Miller and Sessions.



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Post by AndyinPA » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:25 pm

Come legally? Like the Russian women in Florida having babies born here?



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Post by GreatGrey » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:26 pm

Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 67c7edd070
Asked Tuesday about his administration missing a court-imposed deadline to reunite migrant children under age 5 with their parents, President Trump said he had “a solution.”

“Tell people not to come to our country illegally,” Trump told reporters. “That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally.”

Trump’s comments about fallout from his administration's “zero tolerance” policy on immigration came as he prepared to leave the White House on a week-long trip to Europe.
So where's the remedy against the administration for missing the deadline?

Can the Judge summon Kirstjen Nielsen, and then have her locked up for contempt?


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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:44 pm

GreatGrey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:26 pm
Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 67c7edd070
Asked Tuesday about his administration missing a court-imposed deadline to reunite migrant children under age 5 with their parents, President Trump said he had “a solution.”

“Tell people not to come to our country illegally,” Trump told reporters. “That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally.”

Trump’s comments about fallout from his administration's “zero tolerance” policy on immigration came as he prepared to leave the White House on a week-long trip to Europe.
So where's the remedy against the administration for missing the deadline?

Can the Judge summon Kirstjen Nielsen, and then have her locked up for contempt?
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I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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Post by Whatever4 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:51 pm

I’m curious about this part of the US Code:
a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
Does this apply to any of the unaccompanied minors?


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:40 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stran ... smsnnews11
Strangers raise $43K to help migrant mothers reunite with separated children

Amalia Itzep-Lopez, 26, and Juana Soch-tohom de Bulux, 38, left the Eloy Detention Center after their bonds were paid by people who gave as little as $5 and as much as $5,000.

In total, strangers raised $43,700, as of Sunday morning, to free the mothers.

That made them two of the latest in a handful of parents who were first detained and separated from their children, then later freed on bond as they pursue asylum cases.

A few of those parents have since been able to reunite with their children through a seemingly chaotic combination of legal filings and public pressure. One mother who filed a lawsuit had authorities agree to return her child to her in Baltimore. Another had her child released to her and her husband in Los Angeles.


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Post by tencats » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:51 pm

Officials admit they may have separated family – who might be US citizens – for up to a year
Wed 11 Jul 2018 07.55 EDT
The Department of Justice (DoJ) told a federal judge Tuesday that it may have mistakenly separated a father and toddler who could both be US citizens for as long as a year, in the process of enforcing the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy.
Trump forced to reinstate 'catch and release' after court defeats

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) called the revelation “horrific” and blamed the administration’s poor execution of the practice of family separations.

“The fact that a citizen got caught up in this mess shows just how poor the government’s record-keeping was, and this is just the latest example,” said Lee Gelernt, the deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

Read more at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... s-citizens



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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:48 pm

These christians will always find a way to justify whatever twitler does.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-polit ... ming-jesus
Pentecostal televangelist pastor Paula White is the chair of Donald Trump's White House Evangelical Advisory Board, and she's being mocked by actual faith leaders for her claim that Jesus never broke the law. “Yes, he did live in Egypt for three-and-a-half years,” Pastor White told Pat Robertson's CBN News. “But it was not illegal.” “If he had broken the law, then he would have been sinful and he would not have been our Messiah,” White insisted.

That's totally false. "In fact," Talking Points Memo notes, "Jesus was famously crucified specifically for breaking the law by claiming to be the son of God. Before that, he was persecuted by religious leaders and the Romans for violating laws like resting on the Sabbath." White made her remarks to support President Trump's theft of infants and children, separating them from their parents and siblings, and losing track of them. There are currently thousands detained, some in concentration camps, where conditions have been described as horrific.



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Post by Chilidog » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:05 pm

Who is surprised by this?
Federal contractors working to reunite families separated at the border asked about the religious affiliation of at least two immigrant women seeking to get their children back, according to court documents and an attorney involved in one of the interviews.

The women, both currently living in the Boston area, were recently separated from their children under President Donald Trump’s “zero-tolerance” policy. Both of the women are asylum seekers, and one has already been reunited with her daughter.

Massachusetts Rep. Katherine Clark, who has been working with both mothers to reunite them with their children, told BuzzFeed News Friday that both women had been asked “what is your religion,” calling the question “outrageous.”
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Post by Lani » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:41 am



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Elsa Ortíz held this sign outside a Guatemala City hotel Wednesday that Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen visited that day. Ortíz is pleading for her son. He was taken from her at the border in May. She was deported in June; her 8-year-old remains in a Houston shelter.
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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by SLQ » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:21 pm

The San Diego Judge had this to say yesterday:
Sabraw also insisted that the government provide at least 12-hours’ notice before reunifications, so that families and support groups can better prepare for it.

The government protested, however, and Fabian asked that they only be required to share a small number of locations where family reunifications would occur.

Sabraw did not believe that to be a viable option.

"So much of this is just common sense and common courtesy," he said, later noting that reunification costs — including potentially necessary DNA testing — should be paid by the government.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/go ... on-n891366



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Post by SLQ » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:54 am

And apparently, after that hearing, where the judge essentially said HHS was acting in good faith working toward reunification, HHS filed a declaration blowing all that up. The judge then convened another phone hearing and said this:

Judge blasts HHS official's warning of endangering children as 'cover' to Trump admin in key immigration case
A federal judge has blasted a declaration from a senior official at the Department of Health and Human Services who claimed that using a streamlined approach for reuniting children with their parents separated at the border could place the kids in danger.

"Unfortunately, HHS appears to be operating in a vacuum, entirely divorced from the undisputed circumstances of the case," San Diego-based Judge Dana Sabraw wrote in an order after the HHS declaration was filed late Friday.

In a radical departure from his typical tone to date, the judge -- a George W. Bush appointee -- went on to suggest the department's filing was an attempt to "provide cover to Defendants for their own conduct in the practice of family separation, and the lack of foresight and infrastructure necessary to remedy the harms caused by that practice."
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"Mr. Meekins' Declaration is entirely inconsistent with explicit pronouncements from the highest levels of the Government and this Court's orders," the judge said. He added, "Mr. Meekins' Declaration casts doubt on what the Court believed was a mutual understanding, and calls into question the Court's previous statements that Defendants are acting in good faith in their attempts to reunify Class Members by the currently imposed deadline."

Edit: add more of the article, now that I'm not on my phone.



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Post by SLQ » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:17 am

The conclusion of the CNN article:
The filing revealed that after a public court hearing Friday that preceded Meekins' declaration, the judge held a second phone conference with attorneys to go over his orders and sentiments.

At the hearing, Sabraw said: "HHS is off in the Hinterlands and is either unwilling or unaware of what's going on in this case with this court's orders."



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Post by dunstvangeet » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:45 am

Whatever4 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:51 pm
I’m curious about this part of the US Code:
a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
Does this apply to any of the unaccompanied minors?
I don't think so. They ultimately have been shown to have been born in the United States. Where that code is valid is, let's say that a woman crosses the border, doesn't get caught, and leaves their baby at a firehouse in San Diego because she can't take care of him. The firefighters have no clue where that baby came from.

That baby is presumed to have been born in the United States. And if he goes until 21 years without being shown as actually having been born in Mexico, he retains his U.S. Citizenship, no matter if he's later shown to have been born in Mexico. The unaccompied minors being picked up I think have been shown to not have been born in the United States. Most of these minors were basically walking up to the border checkpoint and turning themselves in.



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There are reports that a child died in ICE custody in Dilley, Texas. Getting more information as the story develops. It’s unclear where the parent(s) of the child is. Some reports indicate that they maybe in New Jersey while child was in Texas. @MichaelAvenatti

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Update: The child died following her stay at an ICE Detention Center, as a result of possible negligent care and a respiratory illness she contracted from one of the other children.
The events took place in Dilley Family Detention Center in south Texas.
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Post by Volkonski » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:22 pm


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Waiting on an anticipated update in the #FamilySeparation class action out of San Diego where the government is, for the first time, supposed to reveal how it plans to reunite families where parents were deported w/o their kids. 3 p.m. deadline has come and gone.

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#FamilySeparation update: Government's outline on reuniting deported parents with kids is VAGUE, does not detail whether whereabouts of deported parents known/unknown. Most of the suggestions by government put the onus on @ACLU to reunite families. #FamiliesBelongTogether

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:29 pm

Just curious, but how does the gov't plan to make the ACLU do anything? Does the ACLU even have access to the gov't records of the parents and children?



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Post by TollandRCR » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:38 pm

The US government committed a heinous crime when it separated children from parents. There should be criminal penalties for this. In addition, the government must repair its crimes. Children must be reunited with their parents.

Until we start thinking of government officials as sometimes committing crimes and being punished for them, we will be in danger of authoritarian, brutal government.


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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:45 pm

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Judge slams Trump admin for suggesting ACLU, others should find deported parents

(CNN) A federal judge called the Trump administration's slowness to track down migrant parents it had separated from their children and then deported "unacceptable," saying the responsibility is "100%" on the government.

The stern admonishment from District Judge Dana Sabraw came a day after the administration argued that immigrant advocacy groups -- not the government -- should be responsible for tracking down the more than 500 parents it had separated from their children at the border and deported without them.

Sabraw said during a Friday phone hearing that if the government doesn't track down the parents, it will have "permanently orphaned" their children.

"The reality is there are still close to 500 parents that have not been located, many of these parents were removed from the country without their child, all of this is the result of the government's separation and then inability and failure to track and reunite," Sabraw said.


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Post by Fortinbras » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:36 pm

Only a small fraction of the children being held in DHS/ICE kiddie concentration camps have been returned to their parents. In some instances the parents have already been sent back to Guatemala or wherever without their child(ren). And the Trump Administration tried to make the ACLU responsible for pairing up the kids with their parents!

In the meantime, major and multiple news stories of the children being regimented, bullied, and generally treated much as if they were juvenile offenders in reform school. Stories of kids being routinely drugged with ritalin or tranqs. Countless stories of children, some quite young, being so traumatized by the bureaucratic handling that they have developed major psych ailments.

And even stories of children 'lost' in the system - unidentifiable, unmatchable to their presumed parents, possibly escaped or (at least one story) adopted out to a US family without the consent of their natural parents. Even one or a few reports of children being sexually molested (at least in one report by a member of the federally-hired staff).

And still thousands of kids being locked up, without access to lawyers or their parents.
I am one of the very few calling these government nurseries "kiddie concentration camps", but that's what they are and I am distressed that more people aren't distresses about the situation.

It's worth noting that while this prolonged lockup of parents and swiping their children has gone on for more than a year and is undoubtedly well-known in Mexico and the countries that these parents come from, the parents continue to come -- which indicates that they are motivated to escape some sort of hell-hole in Central/South America -- and in many (perhaps most) instances they are not caught trying to sneak across the border but they come up voluntarily to the official border crossing to ask permission to enter the US, at which point they are arrested and locked up for months at a time for a misdemeanor!

This sort of cruelty will blacken America's reputation for generations to come.



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Post by Addie » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:02 am

I'm looking for this case thread and I'll copy the post over when I find M.M.M. v. Sessions.

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Judge blocks Trump from deporting reunited families

Hundreds of parents had been told to waive their children’s right to an asylum hearing to keep the family together.


Late Thursday night, a federal judge blocked the Trump administration from deporting any of the reunited families who were separated under the administration’s “zero tolerance” prosecution policy earlier this year, arguing that children reunited with their parents still need to be given the chance to seek asylum in the US.

The ruling was issued by Judge Dana Sabraw of the Southern District of California, in the case M.M.M. v. Sessions — a separate lawsuit from the one that’s compelled the government to reunify families, but one which is now being overseen by the same judge.

Sabraw’s ruling temporarily stops the government from forcing a parent to choose between waiving their child’s right to seek asylum so that the family can be deported together, and agreeing to be deported without their child so that the child can pursue their own asylum claim. It covers even those families where the parent already “waived” their child’s asylum rights (on a form some parents have claimed they were coerced into signing).

More than 1,000 families were facing that choice. Hundreds of them were facing imminent deportation, together, if the judge had ruled against the families.

Now they have at least one more week together in the US — in immigration detention — while the government tries to work with legal advocates on a plan that will keep families together without forcing anyone to waive their rights to seek asylum in the US.


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