The Splitting up of Families

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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by SLQ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:45 am

Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 67c7edd070
Asked Tuesday about his administration missing a court-imposed deadline to reunite migrant children under age 5 with their parents, President Trump said he had “a solution.”

“Tell people not to come to our country illegally,” Trump told reporters. “That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally.”

Trump’s comments about fallout from his administration's “zero tolerance” policy on immigration came as he prepared to leave the White House on a week-long trip to Europe.
"Nice kids you got there. Be a shame if something happened to them."

:brickwallsmall: Asylum is legal. :brickwallsmall:



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:24 am

Unfortunately, you're preaching to the choir. How hard is it to grasp that? I do hope there's a special place in hell for Trump, Miller and Sessions.



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by AndyinPA » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:25 pm

Come legally? Like the Russian women in Florida having babies born here?



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by GreatGrey » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:26 pm

Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 67c7edd070
Asked Tuesday about his administration missing a court-imposed deadline to reunite migrant children under age 5 with their parents, President Trump said he had “a solution.”

“Tell people not to come to our country illegally,” Trump told reporters. “That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally.”

Trump’s comments about fallout from his administration's “zero tolerance” policy on immigration came as he prepared to leave the White House on a week-long trip to Europe.
So where's the remedy against the administration for missing the deadline?

Can the Judge summon Kirstjen Nielsen, and then have her locked up for contempt?


I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:44 pm

GreatGrey wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:26 pm
Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:39 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 67c7edd070
Asked Tuesday about his administration missing a court-imposed deadline to reunite migrant children under age 5 with their parents, President Trump said he had “a solution.”

“Tell people not to come to our country illegally,” Trump told reporters. “That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally.”

Trump’s comments about fallout from his administration's “zero tolerance” policy on immigration came as he prepared to leave the White House on a week-long trip to Europe.
So where's the remedy against the administration for missing the deadline?

Can the Judge summon Kirstjen Nielsen, and then have her locked up for contempt?
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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by GreatGrey » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:11 pm



I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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Post by GreatGrey » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:42 pm



I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by Whatever4 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:51 pm

I’m curious about this part of the US Code:
a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
Does this apply to any of the unaccompanied minors?


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:40 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stran ... smsnnews11
Strangers raise $43K to help migrant mothers reunite with separated children

Amalia Itzep-Lopez, 26, and Juana Soch-tohom de Bulux, 38, left the Eloy Detention Center after their bonds were paid by people who gave as little as $5 and as much as $5,000.

In total, strangers raised $43,700, as of Sunday morning, to free the mothers.

That made them two of the latest in a handful of parents who were first detained and separated from their children, then later freed on bond as they pursue asylum cases.

A few of those parents have since been able to reunite with their children through a seemingly chaotic combination of legal filings and public pressure. One mother who filed a lawsuit had authorities agree to return her child to her in Baltimore. Another had her child released to her and her husband in Los Angeles.


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Post by tencats » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:51 pm

Officials admit they may have separated family – who might be US citizens – for up to a year
Wed 11 Jul 2018 07.55 EDT
The Department of Justice (DoJ) told a federal judge Tuesday that it may have mistakenly separated a father and toddler who could both be US citizens for as long as a year, in the process of enforcing the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy.
Trump forced to reinstate 'catch and release' after court defeats

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) called the revelation “horrific” and blamed the administration’s poor execution of the practice of family separations.

“The fact that a citizen got caught up in this mess shows just how poor the government’s record-keeping was, and this is just the latest example,” said Lee Gelernt, the deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

Read more at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... s-citizens



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:48 pm

These christians will always find a way to justify whatever twitler does.

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-polit ... ming-jesus
Pentecostal televangelist pastor Paula White is the chair of Donald Trump's White House Evangelical Advisory Board, and she's being mocked by actual faith leaders for her claim that Jesus never broke the law. “Yes, he did live in Egypt for three-and-a-half years,” Pastor White told Pat Robertson's CBN News. “But it was not illegal.” “If he had broken the law, then he would have been sinful and he would not have been our Messiah,” White insisted.

That's totally false. "In fact," Talking Points Memo notes, "Jesus was famously crucified specifically for breaking the law by claiming to be the son of God. Before that, he was persecuted by religious leaders and the Romans for violating laws like resting on the Sabbath." White made her remarks to support President Trump's theft of infants and children, separating them from their parents and siblings, and losing track of them. There are currently thousands detained, some in concentration camps, where conditions have been described as horrific.



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by Chilidog » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:05 pm

Who is surprised by this?
Federal contractors working to reunite families separated at the border asked about the religious affiliation of at least two immigrant women seeking to get their children back, according to court documents and an attorney involved in one of the interviews.

The women, both currently living in the Boston area, were recently separated from their children under President Donald Trump’s “zero-tolerance” policy. Both of the women are asylum seekers, and one has already been reunited with her daughter.

Massachusetts Rep. Katherine Clark, who has been working with both mothers to reunite them with their children, told BuzzFeed News Friday that both women had been asked “what is your religion,” calling the question “outrageous.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lissandravilla ... dv2box31or



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by Lani » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:41 am



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Elsa Ortíz held this sign outside a Guatemala City hotel Wednesday that Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen visited that day. Ortíz is pleading for her son. He was taken from her at the border in May. She was deported in June; her 8-year-old remains in a Houston shelter.
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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by SLQ » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:21 pm

The San Diego Judge had this to say yesterday:
Sabraw also insisted that the government provide at least 12-hours’ notice before reunifications, so that families and support groups can better prepare for it.

The government protested, however, and Fabian asked that they only be required to share a small number of locations where family reunifications would occur.

Sabraw did not believe that to be a viable option.

"So much of this is just common sense and common courtesy," he said, later noting that reunification costs — including potentially necessary DNA testing — should be paid by the government.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/go ... on-n891366



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by SLQ » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:54 am

And apparently, after that hearing, where the judge essentially said HHS was acting in good faith working toward reunification, HHS filed a declaration blowing all that up. The judge then convened another phone hearing and said this:

Judge blasts HHS official's warning of endangering children as 'cover' to Trump admin in key immigration case
A federal judge has blasted a declaration from a senior official at the Department of Health and Human Services who claimed that using a streamlined approach for reuniting children with their parents separated at the border could place the kids in danger.

"Unfortunately, HHS appears to be operating in a vacuum, entirely divorced from the undisputed circumstances of the case," San Diego-based Judge Dana Sabraw wrote in an order after the HHS declaration was filed late Friday.

In a radical departure from his typical tone to date, the judge -- a George W. Bush appointee -- went on to suggest the department's filing was an attempt to "provide cover to Defendants for their own conduct in the practice of family separation, and the lack of foresight and infrastructure necessary to remedy the harms caused by that practice."
:snippity:
"Mr. Meekins' Declaration is entirely inconsistent with explicit pronouncements from the highest levels of the Government and this Court's orders," the judge said. He added, "Mr. Meekins' Declaration casts doubt on what the Court believed was a mutual understanding, and calls into question the Court's previous statements that Defendants are acting in good faith in their attempts to reunify Class Members by the currently imposed deadline."

Edit: add more of the article, now that I'm not on my phone.



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by SLQ » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:17 am

The conclusion of the CNN article:
The filing revealed that after a public court hearing Friday that preceded Meekins' declaration, the judge held a second phone conference with attorneys to go over his orders and sentiments.

At the hearing, Sabraw said: "HHS is off in the Hinterlands and is either unwilling or unaware of what's going on in this case with this court's orders."



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Re: The Splitting up of Families

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Post by dunstvangeet » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:45 am

Whatever4 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:51 pm
I’m curious about this part of the US Code:
a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
Does this apply to any of the unaccompanied minors?
I don't think so. They ultimately have been shown to have been born in the United States. Where that code is valid is, let's say that a woman crosses the border, doesn't get caught, and leaves their baby at a firehouse in San Diego because she can't take care of him. The firefighters have no clue where that baby came from.

That baby is presumed to have been born in the United States. And if he goes until 21 years without being shown as actually having been born in Mexico, he retains his U.S. Citizenship, no matter if he's later shown to have been born in Mexico. The unaccompied minors being picked up I think have been shown to not have been born in the United States. Most of these minors were basically walking up to the border checkpoint and turning themselves in.



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