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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:18 pm

Angela Merkel to tell Boris Johnson backstop must stay
Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
August 16 2019, 12:00pm, The Times

The German chancellor will present a united front with EU leaders at the G7 next week

Angela Merkel will reject Boris Johnson’s demand to remove the backstop, according to leaked documents which say that Germany believes a no-deal Brexit is highly likely.

The German chancellor will “stick to the line” at the G7 summit in France next week by saying that the mechanism cannot be changed, a leaked paper by the German finance ministry says. The prime minister has insisted that the European Union remove the backstop, a procedure for avoiding a hard border in Ireland, from its withdrawal agreement with Britain.

Sajid Javid, the chancellor, is flying to Berlin today for his first talks with Olaf Scholz, the German finance minister.

The leaked document, obtained by the German newspaper Handelsblatt, says that Germany expects Mr Johnson to use the summit…



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Post by NotaPerson » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:23 pm

Don't worry everyone. Boris is on top of it!

Boris Johnson to head to Paris and Berlin in bid to break Brexit deadlock
Boris Johnson is expected to make a diplomatic dash to meet Emmanuel Macron in Paris and Angela Merkel in Berlin early next week as he seeks to break the Brexit impasse.

The prime minister, who has yet to leave the UK to meet any of the EU’s leaders since entering Downing Street, will also speak to the Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar, and Donald Tusk, the European council president, by phone, the Guardian understands.

Tusk said earlier this year that there would be a “special place in hell” for politicians who had championed Brexit “without a sketch of a plan” as to how to make it a success, in what was widely seen at the time as a reference to Johnson.

The flurry of talks come before next weekend’s meeting in Biarritz of the G7, the leaders of the world’s biggest economies, where diplomats expect Johnson to be given a “reality check” as he seeks to lobby the EU to ditch the Irish backstop.
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Post by Lani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:59 am

Operation Chaos: Whitehall’s secret no‑deal Brexit preparations leaked
The Sunday Times obtains the government’s classified ‘Yellowhammer’ report in full
Britain faces shortages of fuel, food and medicine, a three-month meltdown at its ports, a hard border with Ireland and rising costs in social care in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to an unprecedented leak of government documents that lay bare the gaps in contingency planning.

The documents, which set out the most likely aftershocks of a no-deal Brexit rather than worst-case scenarios, have emerged as the UK looks increasingly likely to crash out of the EU without a deal.

Compiled this month by the Cabinet Office under the codename Operation Yellowhammer, the dossier offers a rare glimpse into the covert planning being carried out by the government to avert a catastrophic collapse in the nation’s infrastructure.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -j6ntwvhll
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Post by Lani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:04 am

Here's a list:
One Whitehall source told the newspaper: “This is not Project Fear – this is the most realistic assessment of what the public will face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios – not the worst case”.

The dossier reveals that:

● The government expects the return of a hard border in Ireland as plans to avoid checks will prove “unsustainable”, risking protests
● There could be months of border delays that could lead to shortages of fuel affecting London and the south east
● Disruption at ports is expected to last for up to three months before the flow of traffic “improves” to 50 per cent to 70 per cent of the current rate
● The imposition of petrol import tariffs, which the government has set at 0 per cent, could lead to the closure of two oil refineries and 2,000 job losses, industrial unrest and disruptions to fuel supply
● There will be passenger delays at EU airports, St Pancras, Eurotunnel and Dover
● Medical supplies will “be vulnerable to severe extended delays”
● Fresh food supplies will be reduced, leading to higher prices
● Police resources will need to quell protests across the UK protests across the UK, which may “require significant amounts of police resource

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Post by Volkonski » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:31 am

Those predictions come from the proBrexit government. It will probably be much worse.

I fear that somehow Trump will get involved and do even more damage.
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Post by Suranis » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:08 am

I'm sure he will be avalible to throw a kitchen towel and offer Don Jr to manage the chaos.
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Post by Gregg » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:14 am

One word.... Jared :thumbs:
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Post by Suranis » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:03 pm

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Post by NotaPerson » Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:39 pm

The Times article said:
The documents, which set out the most likely aftershocks of a no-deal Brexit rather than worst-case scenarios, have emerged as the UK looks increasingly likely to crash out of the EU without a deal.
But FWIW....

Brexit: No-deal dossier shows worst-case scenario - Gove
Mr Gove, who is responsible for no-deal preparation, said the document was old and Brexit planning had accelerated since Boris Johnson became PM.
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He said: "It's certainly the case that there will be bumps in the road, some element of disruption in the event of no-deal.

"But the document that has appeared in the Sunday Times was an attempt, in the past, to work out what the very, very worst situation would be so that we could take steps to mitigate that.

"And we have taken steps."


The article (of course) provides no details at to what steps have been taken, and I can only assume that is because Mr. Gove did not offer any. It's certainly difficult to imagine what great steps they could have come up in the few weeks since Boris took over. But I suppose we'll learn what they are soon enough. :smoking:
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:21 pm

The U.S. could offer a modified "Berlin Airlift" help during the transition, but I suspect Trump and his cronies will want to personally profit from that.

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Post by Chilidog » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:27 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:21 pm
The U.S. could offer a modified "Berlin Airlift" help during the transition, but I suspect Trump and his cronies will want to personally profit from that.
Why do I picture a WWII era bomber flying over London dropping packages of government cheese with little parachutes.

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Post by Sam the Centipede » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:28 am

Chilidog wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:27 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:21 pm
The U.S. could offer a modified "Berlin Airlift" help during the transition, but I suspect Trump and his cronies will want to personally profit from that.
Why do I picture a WWII era bomber flying over London dropping packages of government cheese with little parachutes.
You do realize that Wallace and Gromit is fiction, not a wholly accurate documentary depicting British life?

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Post by Dave at Sea » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:04 am

Sam the Centipede wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:28 am
Chilidog wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:27 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:21 pm
The U.S. could offer a modified "Berlin Airlift" help during the transition, but I suspect Trump and his cronies will want to personally profit from that.
Why do I picture a WWII era bomber flying over London dropping packages of government cheese with little parachutes.
You do realize that Wallace and Gromit is fiction, not a wholly accurate documentary depicting British life?
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Post by June bug » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:15 am

Chilidog wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:27 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:21 pm
The U.S. could offer a modified "Berlin Airlift" help during the transition, but I suspect Trump and his cronies will want to personally profit from that.
Why do I picture a WWII era bomber flying over London dropping packages of government cheese with little parachutes paper towels.

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Post by Suranis » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:15 am

More typically, he would do nothing, claim he has fixed the problem, and claim the reports and pictures of chaos are fakes by the deep state.
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:11 pm

Operation Yellowhammer leak claims by Boris Johnson ‘a preposterous smear’
No-deal dossier was drawn up by new government, former minister says

Steven Swinford
August 19 2019, 12:00pm, The Times

Boris Johnson claimed a group of Remain-supporting ministers wanted to damage Brexit negotiations

Boris Johnson has been accused by a former minister of a “preposterous smear” after blaming a “Remain alliance” of ex-ministers for leaking details of no-deal planning.

A secret Whitehall dossier known as Operation Yellowhammer, revealed over the weekend, included warnings that Britain could face shortfalls of fresh food, fuel and medicines.

A Downing Street source pointed the finger at a group of ex-ministers known as the “Remain alliance”, which is led by the former chancellor Philip Hammond.



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:47 am

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:09 pm

EU rejects Boris Johnson’s Brexit backstop plan
Commission task force describes UK letter as ‘misleading’ and ‘inaccurate.’

By PAUL DALLISON, MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND LILI BAYER 8/20/19, 12:42 PM CET Updated 8/20/19, 3:13 PM CET

Boris Johnson's call to drop the Irish backstop from any Brexit deal was rejected by the EU, with Donald Tusk dismissing the idea and a European Commission task force describing a letter from the U.K. prime minister as "misleading" and "inaccurate."

Tusk, the European Council president, responded to Johnson's letter by saying that anyone "not proposing realistic alternatives" to the backstop does "in fact support reestablishing a border. Even if they do not admit it."

Tusk said on Twitter on Tuesday that the backstop "is an insurance to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland unless and until an alternative is found."

In a letter to Tusk on Monday, Johnson said the U.K. could legislate to ensure no infrastructure on the Irish border and urged the EU to do the same. He also said the two sides should discuss so-called alternative arrangements for policing the border, and promised to make other “commitments” in case the measures are not ready by the final departure date.

The reaction to Johnson's letter from the European Commission was as blunt as that from Tusk. In a note sent to EU countries, and seen by POLITICO, the Commission's task force dealing with Brexit described parts of Johnson's letter as "inaccurate" and "misleading."

The task force said it "regrets" that London "wants to replace a legally operative solution with a commitment to try to find a solution." It also said it "regrets" the lack of any "concrete proposals as to what these alternative arrangements [to the backstop] could be."



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Post by Chilidog » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:52 am

I wonder if the people of Northern Ireland have figured out yet that they are ALL truly and deeply fucked under a BoJo government.

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Post by Reality Check » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:13 am

Chilidog wrote:
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I wonder if the people of Northern Ireland have figured out yet that they are ALL truly and deeply fucked under a BoJo government.
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Post by Chilidog » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:01 pm

Isn't Bojo's threats to crash out with out a backstop agreement on northern Ireland a bit like this?

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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:16 pm

Angela Merkel’s 30-day gambit piles pressure on Boris Johnson
henry zeffman, political correspondent

The most important thing to understand about Angela Merkel’s 30-day timetable is that it was not a statement of optimism.

She was not saying, as some in Westminster appear to think, that Germany and the European Union believe that an alternative to the backstop can be found in the next month.

Nor was she saying that she — or Germany or the EU — was prepared to come up with an alternative to the backstop on the UK’s behalf. Indeed, her position remains that the withdrawal agreement cannot be reopened, meaning that any changes drawn up in a frantic four weeks would nevertheless still only be written into the political declaration.



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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:28 pm

Macron delivers tough Brexit message to Johnson

By Ivana Kottasová, CNN
Updated 2120 GMT (0520 HKT) August 22, 2019

(CNN)When Emmanuel Macron and Boris Johnson spoke to reporters ahead of their meeting in Paris on Thursday, they stood side by side but sounded as if they were living in parallel universes.

Both men stuck firmly to their lines -- the British Prime Minister demanding that the European Union reopens the Brexit agreement, the French President saying that's not possible.

Macron said that he's often portrayed as the "hard man" in Brexit negotiations. But there is little time left to alter the existing deal substantively, he said. "We will not find a new withdrawal agreement within 30 days which will be very different from the existing one."

The French President reiterated his stance that Brexit is "not the choice of the European Union."

Johnson's Paris visit was the second leg of a trip aimed at pushing the European Union to shift its position on Brexit. The PM insists the EU must ditch the so-called Irish backstop -- a demand that has so far fallen on deaf ears among the bloc's leaders.

"The Irish backstop (clauses) are not simply technical constraints but vital guarantees for the preservation of stability in Ireland and the integrity of the single market which is the basis of the European Project," Macron added.

"Where there's a will, there's a way," Johnson said.


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Post by NotaPerson » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:08 pm

Nearly 100 companies move to Netherlands ahead of Brexit - Dutch agency
Nearly 100 companies have relocated from Britain to the Netherlands or set up offices there to be within the European Union due to the United Kingdom’s planned departure from the bloc, a Dutch government agency said on Monday.

Another 325 companies worried about losing access to the European market are considering a move, the Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency said.
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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:46 am

We will soon need a thread "The fractally clueless Downing Street 10" :doh:

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