Do You Uber? Do You Tip?

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Post by bob » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:12 am

For those who use Uber, why it and not one of its competitors, like Lyft?

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Post by boots » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:24 am

Cabs have their downsides. There's a lot of protectionism and sleazy business that goes on in the cab industries in some locales.

And the last few times I've hailed a cab (I lived semi rural for a while and couldn't get an Uber or Lyft) I got sketchy people as drivers, people intentionally driving slow, taking bad routes even though I told them the correct route, etc. And then there's THIS story from the local news. ... uestioned/

When I have been in a location where I could get an Uber, it's been much more pleasant and the drivers were people I was much more comfortable around.

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Post by boots » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:26 am

bob wrote:For those who use Uber, why it and not one of its competitors, like Lyft?
I've never tried Lyft. But I would.

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Post by Somerset » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:15 am

bob wrote:For those who use Uber, why it and not one of its competitors, like Lyft?
I used Lyft in the US, DiDi in China and Grab in Singapore and Philippines.

I can't speak much to Uber. I've only used it a couple of times. The Lyft drivers I've spoken with tell me that most of them drive for both - they take jobs wherever they come from.

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Post by Whatever4 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:36 pm

Most of the drivers in State College PA drive for both. (When I was last back there, I took Uber instead of the cabs as my deadbeat tenant was a cab driver and I didn't want to interact.) They told me Lyft doesn't have peak pricing.

Some of their stories:
Longest rides were from local airport to Philadelphia or Dulles airports. Fare is about $300, but if you miss your local flight you gotta get to the big airport anyway. Not that many flights a day. Fairly common trip for them.

Lyft is better at anticipating volume. Someone looks at local venue schedules and notifies drivers 100 miles or so away that on Saturday, there's a big concert so get your car over there for it.

Uber pricing after a football game can be hundreds of dollars to go 2 miles, and people pay it. The drivers turn off Lyft for games.

Uber and Lyft customers are almost exclusively young people. I always got comments as I am not a young person. Very common ride is from the apartments North of campus to class. The kids don't care about peak pricing as it's not their credit cards being hit, it's the parents' cards. 8:45-9:00 in the morning, fare can be $25-35, 9:01+ it's $6-8.

Most of the cab drivers I've had over the years have been very local. (What class at State High were you?) With Uber, they are usually from the hinterlands up to 75 miles away. Much lower housing costs. Anybody who has a nice car drives with Uber/Lyft, if they can't afford that they drive cab.

In 40+ years, I never had a foreign-born cab driver. All drivers were white. Uber/Lyft was much more diverse, even if the Arab name one couldn't find the damn building I was in! :boxing: Dinged me for a cancelled call even though I gave him great details on how to find me. :waiting: :cussing:

Only had one Uber female driver. She had a primary job and only drove an hour before work, lunch, and an hour after work. She said the most lucrative time was evenings 10-2, but it was too dangerous for her.
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Post by Addie » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:04 am

Uber Pushed the Limits of the Law. Now Comes the Reckoning

Shortly after taking over Uber Technologies Inc. in September, Dara Khosrowshahi told employees to brace for a painful six months. U.S. officials are looking into possible bribes, illicit software, questionable pricing schemes and theft of a competitor’s intellectual property. The very attributes that, for years, set the company on a rocket-ship trajectory—a tendency to ignore rules, to compete with a mix of ferocity and paranoia—have unleashed forces that are now dragging Uber back down to earth.

Uber faces at least five criminal probes from the Justice Department—two more than previously reported. Bloomberg has learned that authorities are asking questions about whether Uber violated price-transparency laws, and officials are separately looking into the company’s role in the alleged theft of schematics and other documents outlining Alphabet Inc.’s autonomous-driving technology. Uber is also defending itself against dozens of civil suits, including one brought by Alphabet that’s scheduled to go to trial in December.

Some governments, sensing weakness, are moving toward possible bans of the ride-hailing app. London, one of Uber’s most profitable cities, took steps to outlaw the service, citing “a lack of corporate responsibility” and specifically, company software known as Greyball, which is the subject of yet another U.S. probe. (Uber said it didn’t use the program to target officials in London, as it had elsewhere, and will continue to operate there while it appeals a ban.) Brazil is weighing legislation that could make the service illegal—or at least treat it more like a taxi company, which is nearly as offensive in the eyes of Uber.

Interviews with more than a dozen current and former employees, including several senior executives, describe a widely held view inside the company of the law as something to be tested. Travis Kalanick, the co-founder and former CEO, set up a legal department with that mandate early in his tenure. The approach created a spirit of rule-breaking that has now swamped the company in litigation and federal inquisition, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing sensitive matters.

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:10 am

Uber is beginning to sound like the Scientology of taxi cabs.

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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:41 pm

ECJ rules that Uber is a transport company, not a digital service
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last updated: 20/12/2017

ECJ rules that Uber is a transport company, not a digital service - and so governments may regulate accordingly.

In a new blow to the ride service, Uber will continue to be regulated by individual Member States across Europe according to a press release on the ruling.

It's been decided the mobile app Uber is a transport company and not a digital service.

The ruling has been made by the European Union's top court and could affect its services across the continent.

Uber was created in 2009 and today operates in more than six hundred cities worldwide.

It allows members of the public to request lifts using their mobile phones from Uber drivers who are in the area.

The decision by the EU's top court follows a 24 hour strike by Barcelona taxi drivers last month.

It was the latest incident in a long running row over Uber's lack of proper licensing and it's threat to taxi drivers livelihoods.

But this new ruling means Uber must be regulated differently from now on ... al-service

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Post by Addie » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:48 pm

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A Driver’s Suicide Reveals the Dark Side of the Gig Economy ...

While Uber has sold that “disruption” as positive for riders, for many taxi workers, it has been devastating. Between 2013 and 2016, the gross annual bookings of full-time yellow-taxi drivers in New York, working during the day when fares are typically highest, fell from $88,000 a year to just over $69,000. Medallions, which grant the right to operate a taxi in New York City, were now depreciating assets and drivers who had borrowed money to pay for them, once a sound investment strategy, were deeply in debt. Ms. Desai was routinely seeing grown men cry and she had become increasingly concerned about the possibility that they would begin taking their lives.

On Monday morning, Doug Schifter, a livery driver in his early 60s, killed himself with a shotgun in front of City Hall in Lower Manhattan, having written a lengthy Facebook post several hours earlier laying out the structural cruelties that had left him in such dire circumstance. He was now sometimes forced to work more than 100 hours a week to survive he said; when he had started out in the 1980s a 40-hour week was fairly typical. He blamed politicians — mayors Michael R. Bloomberg and Bill de Blasio, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo — and their acquiescence to the rich for permitting so many cars to flood the streets. He blamed the Taxi Commission for the fines and hassles it imposed. ...

He had lost his health insurance and accrued credit card debt and he would no longer work for “chump change,’’ preferring, he said, to die in the hope that his sacrifice would draw attention to what drivers, too often unable to feed their families now, were enduring. He had forecast all of this doom in columns he had written for a trade publication called Black Car News, he wrote, but few had listened to him.

Implicit in his testament was the anger he felt over the de-professionalization of his life’s work. Mr. Schifter had driven more than five million miles throughout his tenure, through five hurricanes and 50 snowstorms. He had chauffeured celebrities and worn a suit. He was not driving a car to supplement the income he was getting from his crepe business and he was not trying to make a little extra money for massage. He was not a participant in the gig economy; he was a casualty of it. ...

The problems facing the city’s taxi drivers have become so bad, Ms. Desai said, that even on New Year’s Eve many complained that they roamed around unable to pick up fares. At about that time she had received a call from a woman who runs a community radio station in the Bronx, with an audience made up mostly of Dominican livery drivers. Two drivers that the host knew of had killed themselves and other drivers were on the show talking about the isolation and fear they saw all around them.

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Post by Judge Roy Bean » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:11 pm

bob wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:12 am
For those who use Uber, why it and not one of its competitors, like Lyft?
I would use both of them if they let me pick the driver. :(

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Post by AndyinPA » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:51 pm

I don't need to use either of them often, but I've been tending more back to cabs. After reading the post two up, I'm glad I did. In NYC two years ago, we found it easier to use cabs than Uber. On the train coming back, two women who had been there said there was a really good app for the cab companies in the city. I'll have that lined up before we go back to NYC.

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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:48 pm

Fargo couple takes on alleged ‘vomit fraud’ by a Lyft driver
...It was seemingly an innocuous transaction, one that’s repeated hundreds of thousands of times a day around the United States with the rise in popularity of ride-sharing services like Lyft and Uber. Except that when Marquart checked his phone later, he’d received another receipt from Lyft in addition to the one showing a $9.01 charge for the ride. The new receipt was for $150 and had a subject line titled “Lyft Damage Receipt.” The charge was placed on the credit card Marquart entered on his Lyft account.

From there, things got increasingly interesting. From the investigation Tiffany did to discover the truth to battling with Lyft over the charge to finding out there is a phenomenon among some Lyft and Uber drivers to commit what has been deemed “vomit fraud” — faking damage to their vehicle and charging unwitting passengers up to $150 to cover it.

“Vomit fraud” is a growing problem in many parts of the country. The Miami Herald reported this summer that multiple Uber passengers are filing lawsuits after drivers falsely charged passengers, claiming they had to clean up vomit, urine, blood and other bodily fluids.

The Marquarts also discovered that police treat the fraud as a civil matter instead of a criminal one because of the way the ride services write user agreements, so they don’t investigate. The Marquarts learned Lyft doesn’t appear overly concerned its drivers are committing fraud. They also don’t believe drivers who get caught face any repercussions.
Riders are now being cautioned to take before-and-after photos of the vehicle to protect themselves from damage claims. Which is ridiculous.

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