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Hurricane Florence - Carolinas - 09/2018

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This hurricane deserves its own thread.

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Post by Kendra » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:25 am

Thanks for starting it.

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Post by Foggy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:39 am

God wrote:Anyone in the Carolinas should evacuate immediately. Same with the other 48 states.
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Post by DejaMoo » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:50 pm

Woman on NC coast tells MSNBC she’s not evacuating her kids because there’s ‘strength in numbers’
Just hours before Hurricane Florence is set to strike the Carolinas, MSNBC’s Kerry Sanders spoke to a woman named Katie who lives in Carolina Beach, North Carolina with her three children.

Katie explained that she was refusing to evacuate and instead was planning to “just try to stay safe during the hurricane.”

“I think we are going to do everything normally,” she said.
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It was not immediately clear from Katie’s remarks how “strength in numbers” would protect her family from a Category Four hurricane.
I've heard this bull before.

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Post by NMgirl » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:22 pm

The Atlantic provides a clear, for-the-layperson, description of the specific characteristics of Florence that might make it the storm of the century for the Carolinas.
Hurricane Florence's Slow Speed Is Ominous
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Over the next two days, the winds that guide the movement of storms across Earth’s surface—winds that meteorologists call “steering currents”—will push Florence over a patch of extremely warm ocean and shunt it toward the United States. It will feed on these waters, gaining strength, so much so that its sustained winds may top 155 miles an hour by Wednesday evening. Meanwhile, the eye of the storm will come within striking distance of the coast of the Carolinas.

And then, late on Thursday, these steering currents will “collapse,” according to the National Hurricane Center. The storm’s movement will slow to a crawl, and with enormous and lumbering intensity it will come to rest against the shore. After traveling more than 350 miles each day this week, the storm may move just 75 or 85 miles on Friday.

This is what worries meteorologists. A slow-moving hurricane is an especially dangerous hurricane. Once it makes landfall, Florence will not whisk inland, smearing a hurricane’s worth of rain across the country. Instead, it will dump its moisture in just a handful of states. Parts of the Carolinas and the mid-Atlantic could see between 15 and 25 inches of rain by the end of the weekend. Some areas could see 35 inches. This rain could fall far inland from the coast, flooding rivers and streams and augmenting the more “traditional” dangers of hurricanes: storm surge and high winds.
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Post by MN-Skeptic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:36 pm

By the way, the Washington Post is making all of its Hurricane Florence stories available without limit for those without a subscription.
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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:48 pm

DejaMoo wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:50 pm
Woman on NC coast tells MSNBC she’s not evacuating her kids because there’s ‘strength in numbers’
Just hours before Hurricane Florence is set to strike the Carolinas, MSNBC’s Kerry Sanders spoke to a woman named Katie who lives in Carolina Beach, North Carolina with her three children.

Katie explained that she was refusing to evacuate and instead was planning to “just try to stay safe during the hurricane.”

“I think we are going to do everything normally,” she said.
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It was not immediately clear from Katie’s remarks how “strength in numbers” would protect her family from a Category Four hurricane.
That stupid bitch is going to get someone killed. If not her or one of her kids, then some poor emergency responder who will have to risk life and limb for her. Changing emergency response protocols after Camille so that emergency crews don't move until the winds are below tropical force levels was a great move. You no longer hear of multiple police officers, firemen and paramedics being killed during hurricanes. But you'll damn sure hear from the brain-dead morons who refuse to leave and then get caught and expect an emergency response. Nope. You knew what to expect, and just because you are a fucking idiot who puts themselves and families in harm's way doesn't mean the people who have to be there are required to come rescue your sorry ass.

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Post by DejaMoo » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:54 pm

Every time we tell ourselves that there can't really be people this stupid, one of them goes on television and proves it.

I feel terrible about her kids. She can choose this, but they have no voice, and no way to escape her and the hurricane on their own. They'll probably die, and if not, they'll most likely be injured and traumatized by the experience.

She's a horrible mother to put her kids through that ordeal.

If her kids are lucky, some Good Samaritan neighbor will swoop in and take them away from this cretin.
I've heard this bull before.

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Post by Maybenaut » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:55 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:48 pm
DejaMoo wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:50 pm
Woman on NC coast tells MSNBC she’s not evacuating her kids because there’s ‘strength in numbers’
Just hours before Hurricane Florence is set to strike the Carolinas, MSNBC’s Kerry Sanders spoke to a woman named Katie who lives in Carolina Beach, North Carolina with her three children.

Katie explained that she was refusing to evacuate and instead was planning to “just try to stay safe during the hurricane.”

“I think we are going to do everything normally,” she said.
:snippity:
It was not immediately clear from Katie’s remarks how “strength in numbers” would protect her family from a Category Four hurricane.
That stupid bitch is going to get someone killed. If not her or one of her kids, then some poor emergency responder who will have to risk life and limb for her. Changing emergency response protocols after Camille so that emergency crews don't move until the winds are below tropical force levels was a great move. You no longer hear of multiple police officers, firemen and paramedics being killed during hurricanes. But you'll damn sure hear from the brain-dead morons who refuse to leave and then get caught and expect an emergency response. Nope. You knew what to expect, and just because you are a fucking idiot who puts themselves and families in harm's way doesn't mean the people who have to be there are required to come rescue your sorry ass.
:yeah: First responding is dangerous work under the best of circumstances. Even after the winds die down (somewhat) and the flood waters recede (somewhat), it's still incredibly dangerous for responders to enter areas with unstable infrastructure and polluted waters, to name just a few of the dangers. Selfish jerk.
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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:01 pm

I saw this on MSNBC this morning with my jaw dropping. Strength in numbers? Against a monstrous hurricane? I don't get it when you are talking about three young children. I'm not sure I get it even if it's just one person or a couple, but to risk the life of those children is beyond belief.

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Post by MN-Skeptic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:16 pm

Ok, I did a little more looking about the area that woman lives in. The story did talk about some neighbors staying and I think she was referring to them being the strength in number. I suppose she thinks they'll all be helping each other so they'll be ok.

HOWEVER...

Carolina Beach, NC, where this woman lives, is right on the Atlantic coast. She's practically sitting in the ocean right now. Her county is under a mandatory evacuation notice. The hurricane is projected to make landfall somewhere in that area.

She's NUTS!

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Edited to add - I'm listening to the story on MSNBC now. The RawStory article stated that the family lives in Carolina Beach. The MSNBC video, however, makes it abundantly clear that the family does NOT live in Carolina Beach, but rather in nearby Wilmington, NC.
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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:26 pm

MN-Skeptic wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:16 pm
I suppose she thinks they'll all be helping each other so they'll be ok.
The ones who aren't dead will probably be a bit busy to help, at least for a while. It took half our street almost 5 hours from the time the storm passed until they got the pregnant woman and her toddler out of the house down the street that had a tree through it. And we're 100+ miles inland.

If you choose to stay, the caveat is that you are on your own. You may think your neighbors are fine people, and they may be, until they've spent a week in high heat and humidity with no utilities, little food and dwindling water, and absolutely no way to get out once they realize what total morons they were. Come back in a week and tell us what fine people they are when you have a gun pulled on you for asking for water.

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Post by Volkonski » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:04 pm

:roll: OMFSM! :madguy:

Carolina Beach is on a peninsula, about 1.5 miles at its widest, with the Cape Fear River to the west and the Atlantic Ocean to the east.

It was totally destroyed by Hurricane Hazel in 1954. Hazel was a Cat 4 storm that made landfall at the NC/SC border.

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Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:50 pm
Woman on NC coast tells MSNBC she’s not evacuating her kids because there’s ‘strength in numbers’
Just hours before Hurricane Florence is set to strike the Carolinas, MSNBC’s Kerry Sanders spoke to a woman named Katie who lives in Carolina Beach, North Carolina with her three children.

Katie explained that she was refusing to evacuate and instead was planning to “just try to stay safe during the hurricane.”

“I think we are going to do everything normally,” she said.
:snippity:
It was not immediately clear from Katie’s remarks how “strength in numbers” would protect her family from a Category Four hurricane.
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Post by realist » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:11 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:04 pm
:roll: OMFSM! :madguy:

Carolina Beach is on a peninsula, about 1.5 miles at its widest, with the Cape Fear River to the west and the Atlantic Ocean to the east.

It was totally destroyed by Hurricane Hazel in 1954. Hazel was a Cat 4 storm that made landfall at the NC/SC border.

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Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:50 pm
Woman on NC coast tells MSNBC she’s not evacuating her kids because there’s ‘strength in numbers’
Just hours before Hurricane Florence is set to strike the Carolinas, MSNBC’s Kerry Sanders spoke to a woman named Katie who lives in Carolina Beach, North Carolina with her three children.

Katie explained that she was refusing to evacuate and instead was planning to “just try to stay safe during the hurricane.”

“I think we are going to do everything normally,” she said.
:snippity:
It was not immediately clear from Katie’s remarks how “strength in numbers” would protect her family from a Category Four hurricane.
Small consolation but IIRC they don’t live on Carolina Beach but rather Wilmington.
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Post by Volkonski » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:24 pm

Wilmington is better, if they live in the highest part of the city. However Wilmington is also between the river and the ocean.
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Post by arock » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:14 pm

National Flooding Map

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewe ... 4%2C102100

Continuously updated US flooding information from the National Weather Service shows observed flooding locations, current & forecast precipitation, and flood warning areas. The stream gauges and weather watches layers allow you to identify features to get specific information such as flooding height, weather related issue, and severity.

The National Water Model (NWM) is a new product from the National Weather Service that forecasts streamflow over the entire continental United States.
A lot more (scattered) green and yellow over the southeastern U.S. than there was a few hours ago.

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Post by Suranis » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:27 pm

Sorta related but there are a LOT of storms out there now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ra ... me-n907826

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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:33 pm

Foggy wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:39 am
God wrote:Anyone in the Carolinas should evacuate immediately. Same with the other 48 states.
https:// twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod/status/1039900830252642304
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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:36 pm

I remember an incident prior to Kartina down at the Gulf of Mexico but inland, where CPS picked up the kids and left the parents behind. Reasoning: kids needed to be cared for, the adults can make their own choices. I think the parents went down in the storm surge.

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Post by RoadScholar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:40 pm

Strength in numbers?

That's what the nuns at the Sisters of Charity orphanage thought during the Galveston hurricane when they tied the children together and to themselves with rope and clothesline.

Which is how they pulled them out of the sand, dead, days later. All 100 of them.

Three others survived because they got stuck in a tree. Everyone else perished.

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Post by BBFlatt » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:50 pm

Potential Storm Surge map at the National Hurricane Center website:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphi ... n#contents

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Post by verbalobe » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:13 pm

Probably needlessly snarky and provocative, but 'strength in numbers' DOES work for vaccines. Which this family probably spurns.

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Post by Volkonski » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:24 pm

This track isn't getting better. The upper SC and lower NC coasts are going to experience about 40 hours of hurricane/TS conditions. That's unusually long. Things are going to fail (roofs, power lines, trees, roads) that might survive if the storm blew thru in, say, 6 hours. There will be several high tides while the wind blows onshore on the dirty side.

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:28 pm

verbalobe wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:13 pm
Probably needlessly snarky and provocative, but 'strength in numbers' DOES work for vaccines. Which this family probably spurns.
That was the first thing that crossed my mind too.

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