Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands Hurricane Recovery

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6.0 aftershock just now:



In positive news as Dave mentions and also mentioned by local news, since the big damage is limited to a few towns in the Southwest, the rest of the island has been able to send first aid and supplies. We’ve been able to send things to family that were down there, this wasn’t possible during Maria:

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IMHO quakes in at the range of 6+ are not "afterquakes" but rattling event on their own. Below 5 I will reconsider.
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I double checked and I think yes 6.0 qualifies as aftershock since it’s smaller than the 6.4, it came after it and happened in the same area. USGS is using the aftershock terminology as well:

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I'm still reading up on earthquakes, but I don't think aftershock vs. quake is based on intensity, but on the aftershock's relationship to the original quake.
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I’m not sure folks understand what’s happening in Puerto Rico. It’s not 1, 2, or even 3 quakes. It’s THOUSANDS. It’s constant fear. Its collapsing bridges. It’s not just about lack of electricity—it’s about fear, anxiety, and uncertainty haunting already debilitated communities
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It's time we stop talking about "Aftershocks" as if there was just one earthquake. Apparently this is a rare "earthquake swarm"
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Magnitude 5.9 Shock Again Rocks Quake-Stunned Puerto Rico

https://www.courthousenews.com/magnitud ... erto-rico/
As a result of Saturday’s quake, Puerto Rico’s Electric Power Authority said outages were reported across much of southern Puerto Rico and crews were assessing possible damage at power plants. Officials said they also were going back to reassess all structures previously inspected, given the strength of Saturday’s quake.

Deputy Mayor Elizabeth Ocasio in the southern coastal city of Ponce told The Associated Press that officials closed the city’s downtown area and two other nearby areas because of weakened infrastructure.

“One building completely collapsed,” she said. “There is a lot of historic infrastructure in Ponce.”

Bárbara Cruz, a prosecutor who was in Ponce when the new quake hit, said concrete debris hit the sidewalk as buildings continued to crumble.
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Positive news time. The governor is asking people to channel donations through charitable organizations. Too many people drove to the affected areas with supplies over the weekend which caused big traffic jams.
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Jeffrey wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:20 pm Positive news time. The governor is asking people to channel donations through charitable organizations. Too many people drove to the affected areas with supplies over the weekend which caused big traffic jams.
Is there a charity that you would recommend?
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We’re working with my moms church group but that’s like a local thing. I have no idea which groups to recommend.

I have been seeing people talk about sending supplies from the states but that seems wasteful. The port and supply chain is unaffected so you can buy water, food and essentials on the island easily and move it to the affected towns.
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Latest count of people living in refuges is up to 4,994.

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For those keeping track, the governor sent a major disaster declaration to Trump 4 days ago and he still hasn't signed it:



The disaster declaration he did sign has a $5 million cap.

After posting that Fema put out a statement claiming there is no $5 million cap:

https://www.elnuevodia.com/noticias/loc ... 1579046976
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Puerto Rico has no electoral votes.
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Volkonski wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:21 pm Puerto Rico has no electoral votes.
And, if they did vote, every single one would be a Democrat.

And they're all brown.

And they all refuse to speak English like good Americans.

So they deserve hurricanes and earthquakes.
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Finally. :roll:
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White House announcement: Today,
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"declared that a major disaster exists in the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico"
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•grants for temporary housing & home repairs
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Beat me to it. The WH.gov statement (Trump has not tweeted or said anything as far as I can tell):

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st ... aration-3/

A couple of towns seem to be missing from the declaration though.

Trump came in clutch today also releasing the $18 billion HUD funds:
"Now that a full financial monitoring team is assembled and active, we can move forward with confidence that these disaster recovery funds will reach those who need them the most," a senior HUD official said in a statement to NPR.
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/15/79665876 ... o-rico-aid

The NYT reports that the money comes with conditions:
To gain access to $8.2 billion in recovery money and $8.3 billion in disaster prevention funds, Puerto Rico will have to submit budget plans to its federally mandated fiscal control board, which will track where the money goes. It will also have to bolster its property registration database.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/us/p ... r-aid.html

Some people are upset about the conditions but I think I mentioned upthread that modernizing the property registration database is something locals have been calling for for decades.

On the D side, House Dems are proposing this:
House Democrats on Thursday unveiled a $3.34 billion emergency supplemental spending bill for Puerto Rico, aimed at funding schools and repairing transportation infrastructure.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4786 ... o-aid-bill

In corruption news, the former Secretary of Education has been arrested again for allegedly offering land that belonged to a school in exchange for a free apartment for herself:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 19133.html

As to the earthquakes themselves, they SEEM to be decreasing in intensity. I've heard a lot of people say they're finally getting a full nights sleep since there's less shaking. USGS now puts the odds of another 6.4 or larger quake at 4%. If you look at the map, most of the quakes today have been around 3.0 intensity save for the 4.3 in the afternoon:

https://www.usgs.gov/news/magnitude-64- ... uerto-rico
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When it rains it pours. Now we've got meteors:



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Slate: Puerto Rico’s Latest Man-Made Disaster

Centuries of colonialism as well as Trump-era corruption have led to a new humanitarian crisis.
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now its "official"
Warehouse filled with Hurricane Maria supplies discovered in Puerto Rico; Government official ousted

A Puerto Rican emergency management official was ousted after a warehouse was discovered with supplies dating back to Hurricane Maria.

A video posted to Facebook shows a warehouse in Ponce filled with thousands of cases of water and other much-needed supplies that are believed to have dated back to the hurricane that struck the island in 2017, ABC News has learned.

With this new discovery, Puerto Rico Governor Wanda Vazquez has dismissed Carlos Acevedo, the director of Puerto Rico's emergency management agency.

"There are thousands of people who have made sacrifices to bring help to the south, and it is unforgivable that resources have been kept in a warehouse," she said.

Vazquez said she's given officials 48 hours to investigate why the supplies never made it to the public. Vazquez has nominated the head of the Puerto Rican National Guard to lead the Office of Emergency Management.


https://6abc.com/warehouse-filled-with- ... o/5861277/
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National shame aside. Finally visited the earthquake epicenter. Damage does seem to depend entirely on construction standards. You’ll see a collapsed house in a street full of houses with no damage. The church that collapsed is next to a public housing project built to modern standards that suffered no damage.

Very positive energy in the area. People were driving around offering water and necessities to people in the area. Lots of military trucks with supplies moving around. The mayor contacted one neighbor who had some damage to his house in the morning and by mid-day had coordinated with a charity that had already nearly finished building him a new wood house.
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Jeffrey wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:05 am National shame aside. Finally visited the earthquake epicenter. Damage does seem to depend entirely on construction standards. You’ll see a collapsed house in a street full of houses with no damage. The church that collapsed is next to a public housing project built to modern standards that suffered no damage.

Very positive energy in the area. People were driving around offering water and necessities to people in the area. Lots of military trucks with supplies moving around. The mayor contacted one neighbor who had some damage to his house in the morning and by mid-day had coordinated with a charity that had already nearly finished building him a new wood house.
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New York Times (Jan 15)
Trump Attaches Severe Restrictions to Puerto Rico’s Long-Delayed Disaster Aid

Days after the island was hit by a 5.9-magnitude earthquake, the White House released billions in aid but placed limits on how it can be spent.


WASHINGTON — The Trump administration imposed severe restrictions on Wednesday on billions of dollars in emergency relief to Puerto Rico, including blocking spending on the island’s electrical grid and suspending its $15-an-hour minimum wage for federally funded relief work.

The nearly $16 billion in funding, released while Puerto Ricans still sleep on the streets for fear of aftershocks from last week’s earthquake, is part of $20 billion that Congress allocated for disaster recovery and preparation more than a year ago, in response to the commonwealth being hit by back-to-back hurricanes in 2017.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development had released only $1.5 billion of the congressional relief, citing concerns about political corruption. Of that, only $5 million has been spent . ...

To gain access to $8.2 billion in recovery money and $8.3 billion in disaster prevention funds, Puerto Rico will have to submit budget plans to its federally mandated fiscal control board, which will track where the money goes. It will also have to bolster its property registration database.

Puerto Rico will be barred from paying its $15-an-hour minimum wage to workers on federally funded projects. And none of the funds can be used on the electrical grid, although the Department of Housing and Urban Development has yet to release nearly $2 billion that was allocated for Puerto Rico’s electrical system.
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5 days ago when Trump signed the major disaster declaration I mentioned a couple of towns were missing, today the governor sent a request to include the missing towns:
Sekrit Stuffs!
The error seems to have been on the governors end for not including the towns in the original request but I can't think of a reason other than incompetence for not including them, everyone knew those towns suffered damage.

I'm not commenting on the hidden supplies until there's more information, right now very little of the situation makes sense.
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Trump has expanded the major disaster declaration to include the ten towns the governor forgot to include:
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Took 18 hours to update the thing. So not really sure what's going on with him giving the island what the governor asks for but refusing to tweet about it or talk about it.

Warehouse situation: The governor has now fired 3 cabinet members over the warehouses:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/19/us/p ... index.html
https://cbs12.com/news/nation-world/pue ... f-supplies

There are conflicting versions over why she fired the housing secretary. Originally she claimed she fired him over the warehouses, some of which were allegedly under his control. Later she claimed to have fired him for making comments about the conditions imposed on the HUD funds released by the Trump admin. He on the other hand claims he was fired for supporting the governors opponent in the primary.
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This is further complicated by video of the governor from August 2019 of a press conference in which the warehouses were discussed as part of the new emergency plan:
Sekrit Stuffs!
There is also uncertainty about when exactly FEMA transferred those supplies to the local government. A number of english news websites imply that Puerto Rico had the supplies during the storm aftermath whereas a statement by FEMA and some local sources say they were transferred at some point in 2018 after things had stabilized and the supplies were no longer needed.

Might be a while before there's enough information to make sense of the situation but people are already jumping to conclusions.
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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico —

Hundreds of people joined a protest Thursday organized by Puerto Rican singer René Pérez of Calle 13 fame in a demonstration reminiscent of those that ousted the governor last year. Anger is growing over emergency aid that until recently sat unused in a warehouse amid ongoing earthquakes.

Protesters gathered under heavy rain at the governor’s mansion as they waved flags and banged on pots, demanding the removal of Gov. Wanda Vázquez, who took office in August, shortly after Gov. Ricardo Rosselló was forced out amid massive demonstrations.

“This is not the end! It’s just the beginning!” one of the protest organizers yelled to a cheering crowd, which had marched to the mansion from the Capitol building.

The newest protest unleashed debate about whether Puerto Ricans should try to oust Vázquez as the U.S. territory struggles to recover from a recent 6.4 magnitude earthquake that killed one person and damaged hundreds of homes in the island’s southern region. Officials are still awaiting millions of dollars in federal funds for Hurricane Maria, a Category 4 storm that hit in September 2017.

“We’ve had enough,” said 82-year-old Iris Guardiola as she waved a tiny Puerto Rican flag. “The people are tired of the abuse ... of the lack of humanity. I am here helping those who cannot be here.”

One former protest leader, Rey Charlie, who gained fame after leading hundreds of motorcycle riders in a demonstration last summer, said he would not participate in the most recent one.

“A massive demonstration like the one last year would cause great damage, damage that I think would be irreparable,” he said. “You are holding up the economy, you are holding up aid supplies to victims in the southern region, you are paralyzing the country. ... You have to think of the consequences.”
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... rgency-aid
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