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Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands Hurricane Recovery

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Post by Volkonski » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:19 am

Here is a thread to track the hurricane recovery in Puerto Rico.

I've been looking at photos coming out of Puerto Rico. Maria first hit with Irma-like winds and then delivered Harvey-like flooding.

Even before Irma and Maria the PR government was already unable to pay its debts. The local power company was already in bankruptcy. The best and the brightest were already decamping for the US mainland (since 2000 the population has declined from 3.8 million to about 3.3 million).

The island's recovery will be long and difficult.


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Post by Kendra » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:45 am

Thanks for starting this thread. It sounds like it's going to be a long haul for all the islands hit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 5c74a02e13
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Search-and-rescue efforts on this storm-ravaged island redoubled Thursday as residents took stock of the devastation left by Hurricane Maria, which continued to plague the U.S. territory in the form of dangerous flash floods even as it drifted northwest to deliver a weaker but still punishing blow to the Dominican Republic.

The powerful storm knocked out power to the entire island and felled cellphone towers, leaving many residents unable to call for help or communicate with family members. Downed trees blocked roadways, some of which were turned into fast-flowing, muddy rivers. The obstacles made it difficult for authorities to assess the full scope of damage, but they were already estimating that the potential cost to reach into the billions.

"Today, we're working on that assessment, evaluating what in terms of money what is the real cost of the aftermath of the hurricane," said Carlos Mercader, a Washington-based spokesman for Gov. Ricardo Roselló. "But I can tell you, from what I've been hearing from the governor, there's total devastation."



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Post by TollandRCR » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:56 am

The island’s recovery will indeed be long and difficult. It probably will be too slow and incomplete without extensive Federal aid. I have no idea whether Trump either knows or cares that PR is related to the US.

But do not write off those people who seem to have fled the island. Most have family back there. Many have strong emotional ties to their island in the sun. Money flows back from the mainland.

Most Puerto Rican’s on the mainland live in either metro NYC or Philadelphia. Hartford has about 125,000 residents, of whom about 43 percent are Latino. Most of those are Puerto Rican.

Many of them move back and forth to and from the island. It is a phenomenon seen all over the world: the poor are willing to hire themselves out but not willing to leave. Remittances sustain some economies, such as India’s Kerala.

A Puerto Rican friend once explained to me that her furniture had been back and forth three times so far.

These people will be essential to the recovery. How­ev­er, we will somehow have to get the Republicans to understand that a country is not a market. It is a community.


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Post by TexasFilly » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:08 pm

If anyone finds a legit organization (i.e. not the Red Cross) to donate to for recovery in Puerto Rico, please post it here.


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I wonder who wrote that message.


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Post by Kendra » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:24 pm

TollandRCR wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 pm
I wonder who wrote that message.
Such a comfort he's giving there :sarcasm:



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Post by TollandRCR » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:47 pm

I did not know that the SFV is going to Puerto Rico. I guess I think that he will learn nothing and do nothing.


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Post by Volkonski » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:59 pm

Puerto Rico’s bondholders worried after Hurricane Maria turns out lights

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/puerto ... 2017-09-21
The plight of Prepa bondholders—Prepa is Puerto Rico’s main supplier of electricity—was grim even before Irma. Prepa filed for bankruptcy in July after Promesa, the congressionally appointed federal oversight board addressing Puerto Rico’s overall debt woes, rejected a $9 billion restructuring deal between Prepa and an ad hoc group of bondholders and insurance companies.

Prepa’s bonds, $9 billion worth, are revenue bonds whose funding stream is based on collecting customer fees. Even before Hurricane Maria knocked power out for good, bondholders were worried that Prepa would deliberately force some plants offline, jeopardizing the collateral, creating justification for a privatization plan that could leave current bondholders high and dry. Proponents argue that a brand new electric authority, free of debt, would be a huge boon to the Puerto Rican economy.


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All Trump knows about Puerto Rico he learned from watching West Side Story



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Post by Chilidog » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:47 pm

It's time to start pushing for the repeal of the Jones Act.



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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:17 am

Chilidog wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:47 pm
It's time to start pushing for the repeal of the Jones Act.
Which part -- coastwise trade or seaman's compensation? And how come?

ETA: Nevermind. Found this NY Times article from a couple of weeks ago saying US waives Jones Act coastwise trade restrictions because of hurricanes: https://mobile.nytimes.com/reuters/2017 ... pping.html



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Post by Chilidog » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:22 am

I believe that the coastal trade policies have a large negative impact on the economy of Puerto Rico.



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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:46 am

Dam fails in Puerto Rico, 70 000 told to evacuate

http://www.news24.com/World/News/dam-fa ... e-20170923
With the death toll from the storm at 33 across the Caribbean, the National Weather Service office in capital San Juan issued a flash flood warning for people living along the Guajataca River and said the 1920s earthen dam was in danger of collapsing altogether.

"All areas surrounding the Guajataca River should evacuate NOW. Their lives are in DANGER!" the service said in a tweet. Flooding has already begun downstream, it said.

Shortly thereafter, Governor Ricardo Rossello issued an order for some 70 000 people living in the area in the northwest of the island to get out.

According to the newspaper El Vocero, Public Safety Secretary Hector Pesquera said a drain that normally releases a stream of water from the dam in a controlled fashion had broken.


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:05 am

Will hurricanes compel more Puerto Rico residents to move to U.S. mainland?

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-n ... story.html
Those residents, who are U.S. citizens, could head north to the mainland, including the Lehigh Valley, which is home to thousands of Puerto Rican descent.

“I would not be surprised if it happens,” said Mary Colon, board president of the Hispanic Center Lehigh Valley. “Culturally, our families tend to gravitate to the extended family in time of crisis, and obviously this is a time of crisis.”

:snippity:

In Florida, home to more than 1 million Puerto Ricans, officials are worried that an influx of islanders could strain services.

"We've anticipated we'll see tens of thousands of folks here at least temporarily," said U.S. Rep. Darren Soto, D-Fla., the first Puerto Rican congressman from the state. "Many were I'm sure already contemplating the move, but this will push them over the top."
Resettle them in states that Trump won by small margins. ;)


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:11 am

Hurricane Maria halts crucial drug manufacturing in Puerto Rico, may spur shortages

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 692752001/
Many, if not all, of the nearly 50 pharmaceutical plants on the island are effectively idled. Power isn't likely to be restored to the island for three to six months.

Although most factories run by global pharmaceutical companies have backup power generation, many employees are unavailable to help resume manufacturing because they face calamity in their personal lives.

:snippity:

Pharmaceuticals represented 72% of Puerto Rico's 2016 exports, valued at $14.5 billion, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The sector accounted for 25% of total U.S. pharmaceutical exports.


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:30 pm

Raw footage showing dam breach and storm damage on the north shore.



The breach is at the southwestern end of the dam. Hwy 119 which runs along the top of the dam is washed away at that location. The water is flowing out freely. As it erodes the dam more water will be released.


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:37 pm

The links are to photos of the dam taken from the northern end.

https://goo.gl/maps/Ti5Yj4ZwSM22

https://goo.gl/maps/71eiUEaKmWm

https://goo.gl/maps/qCgUhV3oqnE2


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:42 pm

I was just wondering about this. Where on a relatively small Island will they put all the debris created by Irma and Maria? Turns out they really don't have anywhere to put it. :?

Landfills In Puerto Rico And The Virgin Islands Are Already An Environmental Mess. Hurricanes Just Made These Failing Piles Of Garbage Worse.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhisubbarama ... .ek8kb8N0J
“Everything you can imagine is in these landfills — old cars, asbestos brake liners, petroleum, bottles, cans, yard waste,” Judith Enck, the former EPA administrator who oversaw the agency’s work in Puerto Rico and US Virgin Islands, told BuzzFeed News.

When hit with hard winds and flooding, the chemicals from that trash can wind up in drinking water.

“What happens with landfills is that when it rains, the rain percolates through the landfill and at the bottom there’s a toxic stew that forms,” Enck said. That sludge “will often then migrate into groundwater and into the nearby Caribbean Sea.”

According to a 2016 EPA report, a majority of the 29 landfills in Puerto Rico are over capacity, and since 2007, the EPA has ordered local authorities and landfill operators at 12 locations to make plans to close. But the territory’s budget crisis had hobbled efforts to fix this environmental threat.


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Post by Addie » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:47 pm

I'm having trouble even imagining what happens to these poor people unless they can leave for the mainland PDQ. :(


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Post by Kendra » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:11 pm

Addie wrote:
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I'm having trouble even imagining what happens to these poor people unless they can leave for the mainland PDQ. :(
Where do they start?



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Post by Addie » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:13 pm

Chicago Tribune
No water, fuel, power, phones: Puerto Rico faces a growing humanitarian crisis in Maria's aftermath

A humanitarian crisis grew Saturday in Puerto Rico as towns were left without fresh water, fuel, power or phone service following Hurricane Maria's devastating passage across the island.

A group of anxious mayors arrived in the capital to meet with Gov. Ricardo Rossello to present a long list of items they urgently need. The north coastal town of Manati had run out of fuel and fresh water, Mayor Jose Sanchez Gonzalez said.

"Hysteria is starting to spread. The hospital is about to collapse. It's at capacity," he said, crying. "We need someone to help us immediately."

The death toll from Maria in Puerto Rico stood at seven after a body found in a river was reported Saturday, and the toll was likely to rise.


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:35 pm

Unrelenting water imperils Puerto Ricans

http://www.readingeagle.com/ap/article/ ... =mobileart
Transportation continued to be a challenge as authorities closed road after road because of overflowing rivers. Electricity remains out for the entire island. A government spokesman told the Associated Press that Maria took down 1,360 of the island’s 1,600 cell towers, and authorities had yet to communicate with 40 of the island’s 78 municipalities.


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