Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands Hurricane Recovery

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Post by MN-Skeptic » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:40 am

Reuters -

Puerto Rico governor resigns after weeks of mass protests
Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rosselló on Wednesday said he would resign after almost two weeks of protests calling for him to step down over a scandal involving offensive chat messages and government corruption that rocked the bankrupt island.

Rosselló said in a televised speech he would stay in his position until Aug. 2 when Puerto Rico Secretary of Justice Wanda Vazquez would take over as governor.

The first-term governor announced his resignation three days after he failed on Sunday to soothe critics’ concerns by vowing not to seek re-election next year and giving up the leadership of his political party.

“I feel that to continue in this position would make it difficult for the success that I have achieved to endure,” Rosselló said.
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Re: Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands Hurricane Recovery

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Post by Azastan » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:49 am

Jeffrey wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:49 pm
It’s not my fault, we got bamboozled.

Did get some quality begnaud tho
Multi-tasking perfection LOL.

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Re: Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands Hurricane Recovery

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Post by Jeffrey » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:00 am

I was off by two weeks, still did better than Q imo.

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Post by Jeffrey » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:37 pm

The fallout begins:
“the manual drawdown process requires the government of Puerto Rico - and its subcontractors (ie municipalities/state agencies) - to provide 100% cost-validation for requested funding prior to receiving any FEMA grant dollars.”


In other words, the Trump admin is using this as an excuse to add more obstacles to reconstruction.

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:43 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:37 pm
In other words, the Trump admin is using this as an excuse to add more obstacles to reconstruction.
Which wouldn't have been possible if they had given them the money when they should have to begin with. They'd have the money and be much further along than they are now.

and p.s. PLEASE put any Fox videos under a spoiler tag so they don't play automatically every time the page opens.

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Post by Jeffrey » Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:28 am

Looks like CBS or whoever is footing the bill for Begnaud to stay on the island covering different news topics:



Meanwhile the NYT is covering police use of force controversies:
When demonstrations against the governor escalated, police responded with beatings, shotguns and tear gas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/us/p ... tests.html

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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:26 pm

It’s the calm before the storm right now. The next governor is going to be whoever is placed as Secretary of State. However that person has to be confirmed by the legislature. Obviously the republican legislature wants a republican to be picked and they’re putting their weight behind Rivera Schatz and threatening to block democratic candidates. To get a flavor, he’s got the support of the police union and our non-voting representative in congress who is a Trump loving republican that supports the wall on the Mexican border.

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Post by Azastan » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:32 pm

Should be very interesting.

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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:28 pm

Begnaud's summary:



Doesn't mention that Schatz is R while Pierluisi is D. Although that's a gross simplification of the situation on my part.

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Post by Jeffrey » Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:22 pm

Schatz has gone with the nuclear option, leaving the Supreme Court to decide whether an unconfirmed Secretary of State can become Governor or whether the Secretary of Justice becomes Governor. There is also speculation that the sitting Governor may withdraw his resignation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1UR46R

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Post by Jeffrey » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:18 pm

Meanwhile, the Post confirms Trump personally asked for the new restrictions on disaster aid:


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Post by Azastan » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:38 pm

So overall, are people in Puerto Rico relatively conservative? There's a lot to keep track of with players who are, for the most part, not well known (at least not here in Puget Sound). What's the mood on the street?

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Post by Jeffrey » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:24 pm

Explaining local politics is fun. The very short explanation is that Puerto Rico is socially conservative but fiscally liberal.

Political parties on the Island are divided by what they want Puerto Rico's political status to be, so the main parties are the Statehood Party, the PPD status quo Party(this one got more complicated recently), and the Independence party. This creates a problem because you might be a Democrat that wants Puerto Rico to be a state or a Republican that wants Puerto Rico to be a state but you have to run under the same party. That's what happened in 2016, the Statehood party won but the Governor was a Democrat while our non-voting Representative and the Presidents of the House and Senate were Republican (I don't have a full breakdown of R vs. D as far as legislators go). In 2008, the opposite happened. The Governor was Republican while our non-voting Representative was a Democrat (Pedro Pierluisi, the same guy that now might be governor).

Mood is a very broad question. I think in general there is fatigue over all the problems the scandals have caused. People don't want the crisis to continue. But the intra-party battle between Schatz and Rosello pretty much guarantee more political drama for the time being. There's been noticeable decreases in basic economic activity in the last couple of weeks between all the protests and everything. The big malls have had to close and when they're open you see a lot less people than normal. Cruise ships have cancelled stops in San Juan which means less tourists spending money.

Maybe broadly people are divided into, those that want the Statehood party to just pick a governor and just wait until the next election or people that don't like either of the two options and would prefer some other solution which unfortunately our constitution doesn't allow. Oh and there's fringe right wingers that think this entire thing has been a plot by feminists and communists to stop Puerto Rico from becoming a state all funded by Venezuela and Cuba.

A full explanation of the differences between Rosello, Pierluisi and Schatz would take probably multiple pages since it would go back to the 1990s and I'd probably say something overly partisan. As some of the articles point out Rosello and Pierluisi ran against each other in the 2016 primary, the differences were really over minor local issues. I'd argue Rosello won the primary because of name recognition; his father was governor from 1992 to 2000, he ran for a third term in 2004 but lost by a very narrow margin. Controversially they forced a senator within the Statehood party to resign so he could serve in the Senate for those 4 years. Pierluisi was Rosello Sr.'s secretary of state. Schatz isn't entirely independent of Rosello, Rosello Sr. named him as Secretary General of the Party in 2002. Might help to think of the Rosellos as a political dynasty like the Clintons. In very broad terms Schatz has been leader of a faction within the Statehood party with back and forth with the Rosellos over the last 18 years.

One of the big disagreements right now in the Rosello/Schatz/Pierluisi debacle right now is that Pierluisi worked until Wednesday for a Law Firm that was employed by the Fiscal Oversight Management Board. When the Island defaulted on it's debt, as a territory it lacked bankruptcy protection. Congress created a new law PROMESA which allowed for a bankruptcy process, in exchange for that benefit a Fiscal Board was installed to guarantee the Island would balance the budget. Politicians from the Statehood and PPD parties went to congress to lobby for both bankruptcy protection and a Fiscal Board (Junta in spanish). Once the board members were picked by the Obama admin they became the local villains for politicians on the island. Rosello and legislature have been at war with the board over the last two years. It's clearly had an effect on voters, early on the board had over 60% approval rating, it's dropped below 40% in recent polls. My personal opinion is that this was an intentional political strategy. Puerto Rico was running a budget deficit of about 30% prior to defaulting. The board allows politicians here to outsource cutting the budget to the Fiscal Board so that they get the blame and local politicians don't pay a political price at the polls for cutting services and raising taxes. Unfortunately for Pierluisi, because he worked for the Board, Schatz and critics of the board are using that to argue he's aligned with the Board rather than with local interests.

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Post by Jeffrey » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:56 pm



It’s unclear whether the Senate will take the fight to the Supreme Court. The constitution says this move isn’t allowed but a law passed in 2005 says it can be done.

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Post by Azastan » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:25 pm

So Trump probably won't like that, and will have a hissy fit?

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Post by Jeffrey » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:37 pm

I doubt Trump knows what’s going on or would care if he knew.

NYT has their own Pierluisi explainer:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/p ... luisi.html

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Post by Jeffrey » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:30 pm



The fun don’t stop :boxing:

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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:02 am

Jeffrey wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:30 pm


The fun don’t stop :boxing:
Fun must have stopped - tweet gone with the passat winds.

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Post by Jeffrey » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:07 pm

The deleted tweet said the ACLU would be challenging the appointment of Pierluisi as unconstitutional. Since then about a dozen other groups and politicians have said the same.

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Post by Jeffrey » Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:46 pm



The fun continues :boxing:

There seems to be strong consensus that the appointment was unconstitutional which means we'll have a new governor within a week.

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Post by Azastan » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:24 am

It could takes years to figure out the mess, though.

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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:43 pm

BREAKING: The Puerto Rico Senate adjourns without taking a vote on whether to confirm @pedropierluisi
as Secretary of State. It’s now up to the Puerto Rico Supreme Court.

The Senate was supposed to vote.
They didn’t.

What a wild, unexpected turn, in an ongoing chaotic saga.
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A dick move by Schatz, the whole thing could have been resolved today.

And if you want a sense of how fashy Schatz is:
@DavidBegnaud
The President of the Puerto Rico Senate @trschatz51 just said, in the middle of ranting about @pedropierluisi:

If you're going to let yourselves be persuaded by public opinion while you're in public office, you're in the wrong profession
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Edit: It is my own personal biased opinion that Schatz is a fascist. It is not a fact. Obviously his supporters would disagree.

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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:16 pm



It appears the former governor got away with one final fuck you.

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Post by Azastan » Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:01 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:16 pm


It appears the former governor got away with one final fuck you.
Seems a bit petty. Wonder what the new governor will find missing when he moves in?

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Post by Jeffrey » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:31 pm



I was off by 4 days.

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