TED VISNER: Passive-Aggressive Patriot

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Post by Foggy » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:20 am

Umm ... the best weed, I regret to say, is not grown in the state of Michigan. :blink:


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Post by Northland10 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:41 pm

Foggy wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:20 am
Umm ... the best weed, I regret to say, is not grown in the state of Michigan. :blink:
Maybe you should try cherry weed. I assume it exists. The people around Traverse City put cherries in everything.


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Post by GlimDropper » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:39 am

OK, it would seem my previous optimism for Ted's firmer mental footing may have been just a tad misplaced:

Man charged with illegally selling pot calls judge a criminal in bizarre hearing
BAY CITY, MI -- Representing himself, a Bay County man charged with 16 felonies related to selling marijuana to undercover cops launched a profanity-laden tailspin of surrealism in court.

Aside from his conspiracy theories of persecution, he contended the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act is self-contradictory, that the presiding judge is a grammar teacher and a criminal, and that the man prosecuting him is "a dork."

The preliminary examination of a shackled Theodore J. Visner, 50, began the afternoon of Thursday, Oct. 26. Visner faces eight counts of felony firearm, seven counts of delivering or manufacturing marijuana, and one count of maintaining a drug house. The charges are divided among four files, as police allege they bought pot from him on four occasions in August and September.

Before the hearing began, Bay County District Judge Mark E. Janer informed Visner an attorney had filed an appearance to represent him, something Visner balked at.

"I am forced to represent myself in this manner," Visner said.
:brickwallsmall: More at the link.

I honestly believe this was a potentially beatable case. Not that Ted didn't break the law, he did but he broke a very stupidly written law that they're already in the process of modifying and while I am in no way down with the "no victim no crime" sovcit balderdash, I hate the idea of someone doing years in jail for selling a little weed. Even Ted. But because he's Ted he'd rather get into a stupid pissing match that can only make his life far worse than to take responsibility and think rationally. And may the Lord have mercy on his future cell mate's soul.

AXJ Ed's account of the proceedings.



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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:53 am

GlimDropper wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:39 am
I honestly believe this was a potentially beatable case. Not that Ted didn't break the law, he did but he broke a very stupidly written law that they're already in the process of modifying and while I am in no way down with the "no victim no crime" sovcit balderdash, I hate the idea of someone doing years in jail for selling a little weed. Even Ted. But because he's Ted he'd rather get into a stupid pissing match that can only make his life far worse than to take responsibility and think rationally.
I am more concerned about the eight felony firearm counts. I don't know what the penalty is in Michigan but in other places it is good for 5 years inside. Or do those charges depend on the marijuana charges?


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:36 am

16 felonies and ranting and screaming at the judge, now that's the Ted we all know and expect. Nice to know he is running true to form.

Actually, knowing how Ted rolls, it probably wasn't a LITTLE weed, and there is/was a lot more to it than that. He just seems to be constitutionally incapable of doing anything right, and if there is a right way and a way to turn it in to a felony, guess which one he'll always take?


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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:44 am

Had to check but so far only found four misdemeanour convictions from two years ago:
An Isabella County jury took less than 20 minutes to find a former Rolland Township man guilty of four misdemeanor crimes.

After jurors rendered the guilty verdicts for trespassing, squatting, driving without insurance and driving an unregistered car, Judge William Ervin ordered Ted Visner to pay a total of $1,125 in fines and state costs.


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Post by Northland10 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:51 am

If it were not Ted, I would wonder why he would drop an attorney who appears to have some experience with MML. Given his presence in the gallery, I am thinking he may even be sent by various interest groups to assist Ted. It is in their best interest to assist cases that could lead to acquittals because of badly written laws.

My speculation on why Ted would ignore this "gift."

1. The lawyer said he can only plead it down because Ted did not even manage to stay close to the poorly written parts of the law. He did not even follow the parts that could be followed.

2. The lawyer is a BAR member so that is a no go for Ted.

3. The lawyer wants to argue facts and law. Ted wants to argue opinion and belief.

4. It's Ted.

I suppose a family member could have retained the attorney, and thus is just a big FU from Ted.


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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:22 am

Ted being Ted I can't even see how he got a Primary Caregiver registration in the first instance. I'm reading through the legislation at the moment and so far this looks like a pitfall for Ted.
(l) Any registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver who sells marihuana to someone who is not allowed the medical use of marihuana under this act shall have his or her registry identification card revoked and is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both, in addition to any other penalties for the distribution of marihuana.
Have we got the details of the charges against Ted including the actual sections of the laws he is being charged with? I'll come back to the highlighted bit later.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:25 am

Unless the caregiver law is considerably different from the ones I am familiar with, they are ONLY allowed to grow a very limited amount of pot and then sell it ONLY to a very limited number of people. So Ted being Ted, it sounded like he was running a full on growop and sale operation and got busted for selling to people not on his list, or any list. Ted is incredibly stupid, and the rules don't apply to him, so I suspect he wasn't even remotely close to compliance with whatever law(s) he was supposedly operating under.


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Post by NotaPerson » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:01 am

BAY CITY, MI -- Representing himself, a Bay County man charged with 16 felonies related to selling marijuana to undercover cops launched a profanity-laden tailspin of surrealism in court.
I just love the image that phrase conjures up. 8-)


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:27 am

Yup, that's the Teddy V we've all come to know and expect. Truly a pity there was no video, that would be one to preserve for posterity, or at least a good laugh.


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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:56 am

Notorial Dissent wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:25 am
Unless the caregiver law is considerably different from the ones I am familiar with, they are ONLY allowed to grow a very limited amount of pot and then sell it ONLY to a very limited number of people. So Ted being Ted, it sounded like he was running a full on growop and sale operation and got busted for selling to people not on his list, or any list. Ted is incredibly stupid, and the rules don't apply to him, so I suspect he wasn't even remotely close to compliance with whatever law(s) he was supposedly operating under.
I can see why people think the legislation is terrible, I can't find stuff I think should be in there and it looks like it was numbered by Orly Taitz.
To answer your question, five recipients max per caregiver, twelve plants max each. Plants secured and specific to recipient (Fail 1 for Ted (x 4)). Recipient linked to one specified caregiver. (Fail 2 for Ted (x 4)). Allegedly offered plant to undercover agent. (Fail 3 for Ted). Next bit I don't know about which is why I wanted specifics of charges. If he fails to comply with rules or has too much gear or too many plants, he isn't exempt from drugs laws. Given the max number of plants is 60 (or very arguably 72), if he exceeds that the law has a band at 20-200 plants, which, on conviction, gets you up 7 years in prison and fined up to $500,000. If you want to be nasty, you could make that consecutive with the up to two years for breaking the MI caregiver rules. I also don't know what not being exempt and carrying gets you, but I'll guess it isn't a $50 misdemeanour.


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Post by Whip » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:06 pm

you're being overly generous in believing he was actually growing 'medical marijuana' to begin with. :lol:



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Post by Notorial Dissent » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:16 pm

That was about what I was expecting. The model law I am familiar with was 4-5 registered patients and a (very) limited number of plants.

Knowing Teddy as we do, I can't imagine him following the rules and limiting the number of plants he had, and he obviously didn't limit his sales, as he appears to have set himself up for public sale, at least that is one of the things they got him on.

Ted is just incapable of following the rules, any rules. To go with his terminal case of stupid and anger management issues, he has a severe case of "you're not the boss of me" and "rules don't apply to me" and he has shown that over and over.

I even suspect that if he'd just played nice and pretended to stupid, which he comes by naturally, he might have gotten off lightly, but Ted being Ted he will have provoked it in to a major felony case. Although I suspect he is too well known locally to really get any sympathy from anyone, so he's screwed there.


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Post by DejaMoo » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:53 pm

Man charged with illegally selling pot calls judge a criminal in bizarre hearing
BAY CITY, MI -- Representing himself, a Bay County man charged with 16 felonies related to selling marijuana to undercover cops launched a profanity-laden tailspin of surrealism in court.

Aside from his conspiracy theories of persecution, he contended the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act is self-contradictory, that the presiding judge is a grammar teacher and a criminal, and that the man prosecuting him is "a dork."

The preliminary examination of a shackled Theodore J. Visner, 50, began the afternoon of Thursday, Oct. 26. Visner faces eight counts of felony firearm, seven counts of delivering or manufacturing marijuana, and one count of maintaining a drug house. The charges are divided among four files, as police allege they bought pot from him on four occasions in August and September.
:snippity:
"Do I look like an attorney?" Visner said, seated in his orange, jail-issued jumpsuit. "I don't subscribe to your bar license BS. There's no such thing as a licensed lawyer. I'm not a member of your bar. I've taken your test. It's silly, it's easy. You can take the Michigan bar exam online; it's not that difficult. But to be a lawyer you have to swear this allegiance to participate in this crap."


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Post by Redwolf » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:59 pm

http://www.themorningsun.com/general-ne ... ed-charges

Sorry, I meant to post this link the other day. If anyone finds out when the court date is I might go just to watch the spectacle! :cantlook:


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Post by thearmbarkid » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:23 pm

I have no doubt this trial will deliver many lulz.



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Post by GlimDropper » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:23 pm

Ted has another preliminary hearing tomorrow and it looks like his babymama has access to his facebook page:



So Dani got herself arrested for failure to pay child support, it never ends with these two. William Wagner interviewed Ted from jail (again), Ted doesn't seem to understand why the Michigan medical MJ act isn't protecting him. Well that or he's just doing what he always does in spinning his stories to exclude any facts that don't benefit him. I hope there will be some local media coverage of his hearing, Wagner says he's sending a film crew but his word ain't worth squat.



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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:31 pm

GlimDropper wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:23 pm
William Wagner interviewed Ted from jail (again), Ted doesn't seem to understand why the Michigan medical MJ act isn't protecting him.
Ted just admitted (x2) that he was attempting to grow $500,000 worth of marijuana to raise money to fight CPS and the state of Michigan.
Dani and Ted need to explain why they have a "legal guardian" too.


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Post by GlimDropper » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 pm

I think Ted is being truth impaired about that half a million dollar figure. The grow opp he has talked about looks like this:
Ted's Patch.JPG
24 plants if I count right and one harvest a year. Lets leave alone for the moment that Michigan's medical MJ law does not allow for even rational amounts of inventory if Ted had hundreds of thousands of dollars worth on hand he be going away for a long time. Oh, wait. I still think he's lying about the value but near the end Wagner lies and says Ted doesn't even smoke, and he says Ted's weed cures cancer. It's a post fact world.
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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:14 pm

GlimDropper wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:56 pm
I think Ted is being truth impaired about that half a million dollar figure.
He is comprehension impaired about a lot of things. Medical marijuana laws, how to file court papers, talking about a $500,000 grow op when on a recorded prison phone, etc. etc. He must be growing some fantastic quality shit if his five registered customers are each going to pay out $100,000 for this year's crop.


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Post by Foggy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:34 pm

His weed cures cancer. NOW how much would you pay?


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Post by MFI-Miami » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:59 pm

Here we go again with Ted having delusions of grandeur about being a hero revolutionary. If Ted hired Anthony Lubkin as his attorney, he better be stocked up on Astro-glide and love bologna because he'll be in prison for a long time.

Lubkin is a boob. He makes Lionel Hutz from The Simpsons look legit. He is probably one of the most incompetent attorneys in Michigan. I know because I worked with him on several foreclosure cases.

Scroll to the bottom of the article:
https://mfi-miami.com/2013/08/linda-orlans-2/

Lubkin has also been in the slammer:
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.s ... s_are.html



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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:13 pm

Foggy wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:34 pm
His weed cures cancer. NOW how much would you pay?
What's your TrumpObamacare premium :?:



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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:44 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:13 pm
Foggy wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:34 pm
His weed cures cancer. NOW how much would you pay?
What's your TrumpObamacare premium :?:
Well having had my cancer successfully removed by an Australian woman because of living in one of those first world socialist type places where there is a universal healthcare state system....nothing.


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