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Post by boots » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:58 pm

TheNewSaint wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:26 am
Notorial Dissent wrote:
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Sovering Land is a new one on me. :rotflmao:
Clearly they didn't sover correctly. They should have sovered better.
To do that, they'd have to Moor less. :rimshot:



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Post by pipistrelle » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:04 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
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Vegans? :shock:
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Post by Volkonski » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:48 pm

mmmirele wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:39 pm
scirreeve, thanks so much for the on the spot reporting! It is greatly appreciated.
:yeah: :yeah:


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Post by scirreeve » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:53 pm

Dan1100 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:02 pm
The purple flag is the flag of the Iroquois Confederacy . They are real indians (mostly in upstate NY and Canada) and include the real Tuscarora tribe that immigrated from South Carolina to Upstate New York.

The middle red/orange flag seems to be either the flag of the Mohawk Indians (part of the Iroquois Confederation) or closely derived from it.

Like I said upthread, this probably started with good intentions by people who thought they were (and maybe really even were) descendants of the Tuscarora who didn't make it up to New York. Then the scammers got their hooks into them. Google "Missouri Cherokee" for several examples of the same thing.

edit: I don't necessarily put these guys into the same category as either the standard "sovereign citizens" or the "moorish sovereign citizens." They start out, probably misinformed, but with good intentions. They have pow wows (aka picnics), have meetings, maybe even buy a little land. They try to organize, maybe even try to file a petition to get recognized by the feds. Of course, they attract busy bodies, so they are kind of like property owners associations in that they spend an inordinate amount of time fighting among themselves. That's a very different background than typical "sovereign citizens."

Then, some of them, cross the line into becoming organized criminal entities. Scammers take them over. They start selling memberships to obvious white people, spouting sovereign citizenish BS, scamming investors, and in this case got as far as opening up casinos and their own police force.

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Thanks! I had no idea what those purple flags were about but they were everywhere. I was just the guy doing the driveby - not the analyst. That is what is fun about the Fogbowz - people know shit I don't know.



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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 am

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:08 pm
Vegans? :shock:
Yeah the inhabitants of the planet Vega obviously.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:16 am

ArthurWankspittle wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 am
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:08 pm
Vegans? :shock:
Yeah the inhabitants of the planet Vega obviously.
And it's a long time since they hunted the last buffaloes :P



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Post by mmmirele » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:47 pm

We'll probably hear more about Oscar Washington aka "Achasberosh Adnah Ammiyhuwd-Eternal Essense Embodied/I am" as his legal proceedings progress.
The Hamilton County Common Pleas judge had 26 cases to address Tuesday morning before the hearing could begin. Two of which proved slightly more complicated.

Oscar Washington, who told the court he prefers to be called "Achasberosh Adnah Ammiyhuwd-Eternal Essense Embodied/I am," was there to address the weapons charges he is facing.

Court officials said he began shouting at the judge quoting maritime law and claiming to be a "stateless sovereign citizen" and "Hebrew Israelite diplomat."

Ruehlman held the man in contempt of court. The 21-year-old is being held at the Hamilton County Justice Center.
Now the "Hebrew-Israelite diplomat" part is new. Not the maritime part.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/c ... 827531002/



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Post by mmmirele » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:56 pm

Sovereign Citizen perv is going to prison in Pennsylvania for 8 to 20 years:
An apparent "sovereign citizen" and drifter who police said sexually assaulted his friend's 11-year-old daughter has pleaded guilty to one of the charges against him.

Keith Aaron Miller, 43, who at the time of his arrest had no fixed address, appeared in York County Court on Thursday, July 26, and pleaded guilty to attempted involuntary deviate sexual intercourse with a child, according to court records. The offense is a first-degree felony.

As part of his negotiated plea agreement, Miller is expected to be sentenced to eight to 20 years in state prison, according to his attorney, chief public defender Bruce Blocher.
He can't be sentenced right away because he has to be evaluated to see if he's a sexually violent predator.

You can read the article to find what this sick, twisted perv did.

Here's the sovereign citizen part:
During his police interview, Miller repeatedly made comments "pertaining to sovereign citizen ideology" and signed police documents using sovereign citizen terminology, according to court documents.
https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news ... 849185002/



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Post by mmmirele » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:00 pm

Retaliatory lien-filer Brian Lee Snow pled guilty to filing a retaliatory lien for $8 million against one person:
A Hawkins County man, whose lien-filing behavior and absurd federal income-tax filings are consistent with “sovereign citizens,” has given up his bid to bypass his court-appointed attorney and negotiate an outcome directly with a federal prosecutor, according to court documents.

Brian Lee Snow, a professional carpet cleaner who owes $154,000 in income tax, indicated he’ll plead guilty to filing a false $8 million retaliatory lien against one person.

Snow filed the lien after the IRS seized his vehicles in an effort to settle the defendant’s tax bill, according to his plea agreement.
I'm reminded of how Kent Hovind filed for bankruptcy after his (junky, old) vehicles were seized to settle an IRS debt. The bankruptcy was dismissed as not being in good faith.

Here's additional sovereign citizen grade nuttery (beyond the retaliatory lien):
Snow recently indicated he did not understand the charges against him, and that he wanted to negotiate directly with Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard Zuckerman.
https://www.citizentribune.com/news/loc ... b3abb.html



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Post by mmmirele » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:03 pm

There's a channel on YouTube called "Van Balion II" where the owner seeks out and posts sovereign citizen arrests and court actions. Inevitably, the videos end with a car window being smashed in or the perp getting tazed or some such. I check this every couple of days.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL2PEb ... UUSn55DASg

I'm not going to post his latest videos here because they're usually not linked to a news article and generally there's no idea of when the incident happened. But if you ever have an itching to see a sovereign citizen get his window busted out by the cops, that's the channel to go to.



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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:07 pm

mmmirele wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:00 pm
...... and that he wanted to negotiate directly with Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard Zuckerman.
Meh, let him. Just wait in custody until he's next available and put up a large deposit to cover the cost of an Assistant US Attorney.


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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:15 pm

mmmirele wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:03 pm
There's a channel on YouTube called "Van Balion II" where the owner seeks out and posts sovereign citizen arrests and court actions. Inevitably, the videos end with a car window being smashed in or the perp getting tazed or some such. I check this every couple of days.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL2PEb ... UUSn55DASg

I'm not going to post his latest videos here because they're usually not linked to a news article and generally there's no idea of when the incident happened. But if you ever have an itching to see a sovereign citizen get his window busted out by the cops, that's the channel to go to.
Donut Operator, Mike the Cop and Angry Cops sometimes play Sov Cit Bingo which can be worth watching. There is also "Javen Bullets NoFace Killah" I hope I got that one right, who is also like Van Ballion and digs out the Sov Cit fails.


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Post by mmmirele » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:32 pm

ArthurWankspittle wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:15 pm
Donut Operator, Mike the Cop and Angry Cops sometimes play Sov Cit Bingo which can be worth watching. There is also "Javen Bullets NoFace Killah" I hope I got that one right, who is also like Van Ballion and digs out the Sov Cit fails.
I have watched Donut Operator and Sov Cit bingo is fun, but they're far more conservative and pro-cop than I like. I feel uneasy watching them sometimes.



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Post by Northland10 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:52 am

mmmirele wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:47 pm
Now the "Hebrew-Israelite diplomat" part is new. Not the maritime part.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/c ... 827531002/
SovCit ideology came from the racist and anti-Semitic Christian Identity Posse Comitatus. To them, white European decendents are the true Israelites. Their love for the Sheriff derives from their belief that all other governments are under the control of the Jews (the Zionist Occupation Government).

The Moorish version switches from Europeans to Moors.

In short, it is their banner that says they are the true Chosen Ones.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:24 am

Jews aren't "chosen" to receive free stuff from their Almighty. They are "chosen" to go out and do good works, like charity. Being chosen isn't an honor, it's an obligation.



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Post by ZekeB » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:16 am

I’ve read where Jews have said that a Gentile only need to obey seven commandments to go to heaven. A Jew must obey 613 commandments.


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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:26 am

mmmirele wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:32 pm
ArthurWankspittle wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:15 pm
Donut Operator, Mike the Cop and Angry Cops sometimes play Sov Cit Bingo which can be worth watching. There is also "Javen Bullets NoFace Killah" I hope I got that one right, who is also like Van Ballion and digs out the Sov Cit fails.
I have watched Donut Operator and Sov Cit bingo is fun, but they're far more conservative and pro-cop than I like. I feel uneasy watching them sometimes.
I watch Donut to get an understanding of the police side of things and how they proceed. I feel he tries to be impartial when he's being serious but I agree about the conservative and pro-cop (but then he would be, he's an ex cop). More scary are some of the comments.
ZekeB wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:16 am
I’ve read where Jews have said that a Gentile only need to obey seven commandments to go to heaven. A Jew must obey 613 commandments.
I've heard there's a synagogue in New York that is so reformed the Rabbi is a gentile. But then I did hear that from Jackie Mason.


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Post by mmmirele » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:10 pm

ArthurWankspittle wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:26 am

I watch Donut to get an understanding of the police side of things and how they proceed. I feel he tries to be impartial when he's being serious but I agree about the conservative and pro-cop (but then he would be, he's an ex cop). More scary are some of the comments.
In Donut's defense, he did a nice video about the cop in Meridian, MS who got fired for hitting and tazing a compliant suspect.



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Post by Vee » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:27 pm

I've not been here for quite some time. Not sure if this has been posted but I can't find it in a search. It seems Tom Benson is back in jail on probation violation in Nevada. His wife was arrested in California. Don't have all the particulars except they are both in custody.



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Thanks and good to hear from you!


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Post by scirreeve » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:32 am

JJ has a good thread about a stupid sovcit that started a CA fire.



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Post by Dan1100 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:24 am

scirreeve wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:32 am
JJ has a good thread about a stupid sovcit that started a CA fire.
https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1027788173345091584
So he is an anti-government whackjob who started a fire on public land? Does that mean he gets pardoned like the Hammonds did?

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Post by Flatpointhigh » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:58 pm

mmmmmm maybe not so....
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Post by Volkonski » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:13 pm

Nabisco's trademark, a diagonal ellipse with a series of antenna-like lines protruding from the top (Orb and Web), forms the base of its logo and can be seen imprinted on Oreo cookies in addition to Nabisco product boxes and literature.[4] It has been claimed in company promotional material to be an early European symbol for quality. It may be derived from a medieval Italian printer's mark that represented "'the triumph of the moral and spiritual over the evil and the material'",[5] or to represent the act of winnowing, separating grain from chaff.[citation needed]
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