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True, all too true. :point:


The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.
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boots wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:49 pm As I've posted before though, these people aren't really "sovcits" in that they don't believe the ideology; they're just trying anything and everything and damn the consequences. As a lawyer, of course, that just screams "person who has no real legal case" but I am sure there are some people who had a legitimate case and instead of pursuing that, wasted their effort on these frivolous tactics.
Same as people diagnosed with a major disease who have legitimate treatment options but instead decide to go with 'alternative' i.e. fictitious medicine. The end result is the same.


I've heard this bull before.
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A legitimate (possibly) protest co-opted by sov cits.

Legendary resort the site of battle between sovereign citizen, developers and the State of Hawaii
What began as a legitimate dispute over Native Hawaiian sovereignty and property has devolved as activists resort to sovereign citizen tactics in a desperate effort to prevail.

The conflict occurred after architect Ron Agor proposed a rebuild of Coco Palms, which was devastated during Hurricane Iniki in 1992; developers Tyler Greene and Chad Waters formed Coco Palms Hui LLC to make Agor’s plan a reality.

[...]

When the developers did not hand the $135 million Coco Palms project over to the two Hawaiians, Mau-Espirito chose to exercise what he believed to be his right to the territory in 2016 by occupying it, changing the locks and calling himself the Konohiki, (landlord). He also invited others to join him, and a steady stream of guests, many of them homeless, arrived at the property to protest with him. They gardened native plants, took care of a pond which is said to contain Hawaiian ducks called Koloa, farmed animals and took care of a nearby burial ground.

[...]

The two sides went in front of a judge in December 2017 and January 2018. Mau-Espirito gave a spirited defense, but much of it was mired in talk typically heard from sovereign citizens. “I am a Hawaiian subject, a citizen of the Hawaiian kingdom,” he told the court. “Your honor,” he continued, “I am not part of the U.S. nation. This court has no jurisdiction over me your honor.” He mentioned the courtroom’s flag stating, “That flag is the law of the sea, please uphold the laws of the land, the Hawaiian laws your honor.” He also told the court that they were not a de jure government, but rather “defacto” and “fake.”


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This gem comes from the Nesara Republic Now blogspot. Definitely a mass movement.
http://nesaranews.blogspot.ca/2018/03/t ... mment-form
We the People

Friday, March 23, 2018
The Original Jurisdiction Bonified DeJure Republic is restored as of Thursday night! The National Assembly of We THE People!

As of March 22nd 2018 9pm to 10pm Thursday night 21 states had representation present in the first DeJure national quorum since 1861 with a roll call and minutes of the meeting recorded. The next meeting is scheduled for next Thursday evening March 29th 2018 at 9pm to 10pm eastern time. We no longer just have a national assembly training call. After 2 years of work We THE People have organized into a lawful assembly as per Article 1 of the Bill of Rights! At the point we have 30 states present for roll call we will be able to move forward.

New website being developed for the national assembly and soon to be made public.

For now please visit www.1stmichiganassembly.info for resources and information.

~Billy Rights

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113 participated.


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Grumpy Old Guy wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:19 am This gem comes from the Nesara Republic Now blogspot. Definitely a mass movement.
http://nesaranews.blogspot.ca/2018/03/t ... mment-form
We the People

Friday, March 23, 2018
The Original Jurisdiction Bonified DeJure Republic is restored as of Thursday night! The National Assembly of We THE People!

As of March 22nd 2018 9pm to 10pm Thursday night 21 states had representation present in the first DeJure national quorum since 1861 with a roll call and minutes of the meeting recorded. The next meeting is scheduled for next Thursday evening March 29th 2018 at 9pm to 10pm eastern time. We no longer just have a national assembly training call. After 2 years of work We THE People have organized into a lawful assembly as per Article 1 of the Bill of Rights! At the point we have 30 states present for roll call we will be able to move forward.

New website being developed for the national assembly and soon to be made public.

For now please visit www.1stmichiganassembly.info for resources and information.

~Billy Rights

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113 participated.
This is Destry Payne's other thing. 113 people after years of trying is pretty sad, especially after pretend judge Anna has been stumping for him for quite a while.


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That site publishes everything Anna puts out.

There is a further comment, that may not survive.
AnonymousMarch 24, 2018 at 11:28 AM
One hundred thirteen of 323 million is hardly representative, particularly when the rest of the USA has never heard of the National Assembly of We THE People.


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Well, it's nice to see their jurisdictions is 'bonified.' :dance:


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RoadScholar wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:46 pm Well, it's nice to see their jurisdictions is 'bonified.' :dance:
Doesn't that just mean that they hold their meetings at Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen instead of at Dennys?


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http://www.1stmichiganassembly.info/ind ... m-business

It goes on, and on, and on, for nearly 4 hours.


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vic wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:51 pm
RoadScholar wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:46 pm Well, it's nice to see their jurisdictions is 'bonified.' :dance:
Doesn't that just mean that they hold their meetings at Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen instead of at Dennys?
whoa! hey! popeyes chicken rules.


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Whip wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:29 pm
vic wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:51 pm
RoadScholar wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:46 pm Well, it's nice to see their jurisdictions is 'bonified.' :dance:
Doesn't that just mean that they hold their meetings at Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen instead of at Dennys?
whoa! hey! popeyes chicken rules.
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That's why I use the drive-thru line, to avoid the possibility of crashing a bonified sovcit grand jury.


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I returned to my earlier (11:19 am EDT) link about NESARA News and Freewill Sekrit Stuffs!
Destry Payne
and the comments. His delusion is strong.


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One of the dangers of reading SovCit stuff is that it rots my ability to spell. For a while I could not spell the word that they spelled “bonified.” Then I remembered: it’s Latin. It is really sort of pathetic that a person who heard that term well enough to roughly grasp [take that Miss Little, I split it!] its meaning did not know to look it up.


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The stupid, and the delusion, runs deep and strong in dear Destry, and his brother.


The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.
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Wow, a new group of government LARPers. This may be the most ambitious effort since Republic for the United States (RuSA), led by Tim Turner (may he rot in jail).


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Destry has been at this particular delusion for quite some time and has also been deeply involved in the magic Postal Court system, all in all, I would take ANY of Destry's numbers with large quantities of halite. Originality or creativity ARE NOT part of his repertoire.


The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.
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realist wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:53 am A legitimate (possibly) protest co-opted by sov cits.

Legendary resort the site of battle between sovereign citizen, developers and the State of Hawaii
What began as a legitimate dispute over Native Hawaiian sovereignty and property has devolved as activists resort to sovereign citizen tactics in a desperate effort to prevail.
:snippity: :snippity: :snippity:
There's a legitimate dispute over Hawaiian Sovereignty. The Coco Palms dispute isn't related to that, but is related to mainland sovcits.

Here are two articles about Hawaiian Sovereignty:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2016/09/2 ... hawaiians/
The U.S. Department of the Interior plans to make it clear this morning that any government-to-government relationship with a future Native Hawaiian government is solely up to Native Hawaiians to determine.

Today Interior officials are expected to announce a rule, or “pathway,” for a future Native Hawaiian government to establish a so-called government-to-government relationship with the United States following a series of angry public hearings on the issue two years ago.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34680564

The leaders at Coco Palms are sovereign citizens, complete with the usual lack of driver licenses, license plates and insurance. This is their 2nd takeover in the state and 2nd failure. There is concern that was a test run for bigger and multiple occupations, although I don't think they have enough followers to do so. Yet. They engaged in the usual claims of their own courts and filed lots of fake liens, deeds and court documents. Like too many judges we've followed before, the judge for the Coco Palms trial bent over backwards to allow them to present their phony papers and arguments. The trial dragged on for a long time and cost the developers a lot of money. If the trespassers hoped to make the situation too toxic for developers, they might have succeeded.

My personal beef with the press was that too many reporters were charmed by the occupiers' stories of restoring the ponds and native plants while ducks and goats wandered about. Nope. Like the poots, they left the property trashed.

The incident has attracted a lot of attention from higher up law enforcement agencies as the sovcit movement is gaining more followers in Hawaii and more actions are anticipated. There are on-going meetings with State and County officials.

One person involved with the discussions told me that the ADL has a report explaining the sovereign citizen movement, and it is being recommended to people attending the talks. The Lawless Ones: The Resurgence of the Sovereign Citizen Movement https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files ... -final.pdf
I noticed this section:
In its early decades, the sovereign citizen movement was overwhelmingly white. Indeed, a number of its founders and pioneers were explicit white supremacists. Today, there are still some white supremacists in the movement, typically followers of Christian Identity, a racist and anti-Semitic
religious sect whose anti-government beliefs are often compatible with movements such as the militia, tax protest and sovereign citizen movements.

However, since the 1990s, the percentage of non-white sovereign citizens has increased substantially. The basic ideology of the movement is inherently anti-government, rather than white supremacist; moreover, it is infinitely adaptable to different circumstances. As a result, there are Asian sovereign citizens, Hispanic sovereign citizens, and so forth. Many members of the native Hawaiian secessionist movement are sovereign citizens.


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Whip wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:29 pm whoa! hey! popeyes chicken rules.
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Fake cheif justice Michael Hamilton is at it again posting "proof" of flat earth. Read his latest FB post. If you can get through all the misspellings and inconsistencies, it appears he is refering to thie picture at 2:07 as proof the earth is flat. Totally lost connection with reality.


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Wow, he's a whole lot of stupid.


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Vee wrote: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:00 pm Fake cheif justice Michael Hamilton is at it again posting "proof" of flat earth. Read his latest FB post. If you can get through all the misspellings and inconsistencies, it appears he is refering to thie picture at 2:07 as proof the earth is flat. Totally lost connection with reality.
It is almost like he has never seen a light bulb or knows how shadows work...


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501? Is there some esoteric meaning to that?


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neeneko wrote: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:35 pm
Vee wrote: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:00 pm Fake cheif justice Michael Hamilton is at it again posting "proof" of flat earth. Read his latest FB post. If you can get through all the misspellings and inconsistencies, it appears he is refering to thie picture at 2:07 as proof the earth is flat. Totally lost connection with reality.
It is almost like he has never seen a light bulb or knows how shadows work...
There is no dark side of the moon really. As a matter of fact it's all dark. :rotflmao:


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Northland10 wrote: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:19 pm Wow, he's a whole lot of stupid.
C'mon - it took this to make that obvious?


I've heard this bull before.
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