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Post by Northland10 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:22 pm

neeneko wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:14 pm
TollandRCR wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:21 pm
I have the impression that Florida has more than its share of these nuts. It is enough to keep me from retiring there.
As I understand it, the share is not really worse than other places, but the reporting laws are different which makes such antics more likely to get press coverage.
Florida also appears to have little tolerance for the nuts' antics. Tennessee and Colorado also appear to be aligning themselves as locations where playing SovCit paper terrorism can get you into serious trouble

It does show how sorry old Joaquin DeMorta-Folch's games really are. Though he filed something, somewhere, related to a prosecutor's and judge's property, it was so badly done that it did not trigger any law enforcement response. He never quite figured out which court is which and where you send things like liens.


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Post by JohnPCapitalist » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:17 pm

Northland10 wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:22 pm
Florida also appears to have little tolerance for the nuts' antics. Tennessee and Colorado also appear to be aligning themselves as locations where playing SovCit paper terrorism can get you into serious trouble

It does show how sorry old Joaquin DeMorta-Folch's games really are. Though he filed something, somewhere, related to a prosecutor's and judge's property, it was so badly done that it did not trigger any law enforcement response. He never quite figured out which court is which and where you send things like liens.
It's funny... poor old Joaquin seems to be a few years past his sell-by date. Haven't heard anything from him lately. I checked his web site and there's all sorts of sparkly, color-filled ranting about something or other about Corrections Corp. of America -- apparently because of something about the Bundy's.

But Joaquin seems to be utterly and completely ignored by the poots like other nutters these days. Krazy Kapt. Karl comes to mind, as does Lazaro Ecenarro, who uses a yellow highlighter on every third word in enormous dumps of random documents to "prove" all sorts of conspiracies.

Or am I missing something? Does anybody listen to him any more, and I'm just not finding it?



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Post by Volkonski » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:00 pm

Fogle's errant filing: Being mom to teen girls makes judge biased

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articl ... FM.twitter
Disgraced Subway pitchman Jared Fogle has moved for District Judge Tanya Walton Pratt’s recusal from his child pornography case, alleging the fact that she has teenage daughters creates a bias against him. A major problem with his argument: Pratt has no teenage daughters.

Fogle filed the pro se motion for recusal Tuesday in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Indiana, further alleging that Pratt’s decision to allow a conspiracy charge to proceed against him is evidence of her bias. The former spokesman pleaded guilty in 2015 to charges of conspiracy to distribute/receive child porn, as well as traveling to have sex with a minor.

:snippity:

Fogle went on to write that his case, United States of America v. Jared Fogle, 1:15-cr-00159, involves a teenage prostitute and teenage girls, thus making Pratt, who he claimed was the mother of two teenage daughters, unable to objectively consider his case. The judge's staff confirmed Thursday that Pratt has no teenage daughters.

Tuesday’s motion came after Pratt rejected Fogle’s plea for relief from his 15-year sentence on the grounds that he is a “sovereign citizen” not subject to the court’s jurisdiction.


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Post by Suranis » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:53 pm

So I saw this shown about on Farcebook



Soo I decided to check out the tunyurllink. It leads to this

http://shop.freedomfromgovernment.org/i ... 6c6862f1c8

Yes the freedom from government shop! That license plate is part of YOUR AMERICAN LAWFUL TRAVELER PACKAGE. (Only $129 a car!)
NOW included with ALL LAWFUL TRAVELER PACKAGES!
FREEDOM from GOVERNMENT; Acting with Honor and As King SECOND EDITION! THE BEST SELF IMPROVEMENT BOOK EVER!
NEW DESIGN FOR THE ALUMINUM NOTICES! (The other ones will be updated when they run out, so if you liked the old ones better get them now!)

PLATE REPLACEMENTS NOW AVAILABLE IN HEAVY DUTY ALUMINUM!

Freedom from government is PROUD to offer the American “Lawful Traveler Package”

The American “Lawful Traveler Package” includes:

Two (2) License plate replacements (Durable and weatherproof heavy duty printed aluminum plate replacements that are made to fit perfectly where your old plate went). NOTE: All orders including aluminum tags will be shipped priority!
Five (5) Exercise Your Rights Cards
One (1) I\'m Not Talking Sticker
Downloadable Notice to agents of government (WITH TEETH!) One to send to your local law enforcement, and one tho show them when you are stopped.
Downloadable Automobile surety bond (for lawful responsibility purposes in case of an accident)
Downloadable Declaration of political status document.
Downloadable Four pages of Supreme Court and other Citations about your right to travel.
One (1) Paperback copy of "Acting With Honor And As King" - police procedure book, how to handle all encounters with government.
Downloadable Instructions for use.

NOTE: By default all documents are instantly downloadable after checkout to conserve on paper and toner. If you need printed documents they are currently not available (sorry about that).
Sow at the bottom they cite a lot of Legal jibberish in small print that our lawyers can peruse. From the top!
Have a look at this Supreme court caselaw: "NOTICE the use of the word "motorist", not "traveler".

"We hold, therefore, that a random stop of a motorist in the absence of specific articulable facts which justify the stop by indicating a reasonable suspicion that a violation of the law has occurred is constitutionally impermissible and violative of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. It follows that a random stop solely for the purpose of a documents check is an unreasonable and unconstitutional detention of those in the stopped vehicle. Because the stop in the present case was arbitrary, and not based on justifying facts, it was illegal, and the evidence gathered as a result of the stop must be excluded from defendant\'s trial. The Superior Court order granting defendant\'s motion to suppress was correct as a matter of law.

AFFIRMED." - https://casetext.com/case/state-v-prous ... Z1PsTRX-yw

-----------------

Note about the Conveyance Bond (auto bond) - The „Auto Bond‟, certainly replaces typical „car insurance‟. State statutes state that one carries either „insurance‟ or a „Bond‟. Keep in mind that since the U.S. Bankruptcy,
1) all property was pledged to the state,
2) there is no lawful constitutional money in circulation to pay for anything, and
3) everything is insured or bonded! The debtor-slave on the plantation goes to a state licensed insurance company to „get‟ car insurance, enters into agreement with insurance company (co-business partner with the state) and you so-call pay with check, credit card or cash, which is reduced to or is „federal reserve notes‟.

Federal Reserve Notes, as stated by the Federal Reserve Bank states; “In the United States neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities. Intrinsically, a dollar bill is just a piece of paper, deposits merely book entries…” – Modern Money Mechanics – Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago – page 3 – Revised 6-1992; and B.), and as stated by the IRS; Federal Reserve Notes are valueless. (See IRS Codes Section 1.1001-1 (4657) C.C.H.) So what did the debtor-slave tender for the insurance? Valueless pieces of paper, or a piece a paper, a check, that is merely a bookkeeping entry somewhere that may result in more valueless paper to be tendered and/or certainly more bookkeeping entries sent somewhere. But what the debtor-slave tendered, he most likely „labored‟ for and yet he received nothing of equal valuable consideration (sweat labor for valueless pieces of paper). But in this insurance transaction, the State stays in control of all parties. And for the debtor-slave on the plantation, no insurance means at the traffic stop, a citation… commercial punishment which means more revenue for the state! As for the Secured Party Creditor, having laid the foundation of the knowledge and of the money issue, being the „Private Banker‟, either by previous agreement with the state, or otherwise can provide his own „Bond‟ as evidence if „Financial Responsibility‟.

The Bond is an insurance policy… acting as „in the event of‟ (an accident) “I promise to pay…” But Federal Reserve Notes are valueless „promises to pay‟, so when are you going to pay and in what? The Bond say‟s “…Every obligation, heretofore or hereafter incurred, whether or not any such provision is contained therein or made with respect thereto, shall be discharged upon payment, dollar for dollar, in any coin or currency which at the time of payment is legal tender for public and private debts. Any such provisions contained in any law(s) authorizing obligations to be issued by or under authority of the United States, is hereby repealed.” The Bond is „Evidence of Financial Responsibility‟. Certainly the Secured Party Creditor will know how to handle such situations and will know how to „discharge‟ any liability there from via acceptance for value. Also note; at the traffic stop, the police officer does not have a „License‟ to practice law and therefore cannot make a legal determination as to the validity of the Bond. The Bond is to be recorded into the Public making it recognizable in any administrative tribunal/court.


Yes I blew the 4 para rule out the water here, but this isn't even half of the small print text here. It goes ON and ON


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Post by scirreeve » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:09 pm

That site is run by Trent Goodbaudy. Some of the Bundy bunch (Josh Martinez and John Lamb) use stuff from his on line store. He has written several krazy books which are available on Amazon. Here is his FB page which is full of kooky sovcit stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/trent.goodbaudy



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Post by Northland10 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:17 pm

scirreeve wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:09 pm
That site is run by Trent Goodbaudy. Some of the Bundy bunch (Josh Martinez and John Lamb) use stuff from his on line store. He has written several krazy books which are available on Amazon. Here is his FB page which is full of kooky sovcit stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/trent.goodbaudy
A bit of an unfortunate name. He could be confused for being a porn star, not that I know about such things.


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Post by Whip » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:26 pm

Suranis wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:53 pm


Yes the freedom from government shop! That license plate is part of YOUR AMERICAN LAWFUL TRAVELER PACKAGE. (Only $129 a car!)

it would be cheaper to get plates through the DMV



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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:48 pm

Whip wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:26 pm
Suranis wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:53 pm


Yes the freedom from government shop! That license plate is part of YOUR AMERICAN LAWFUL TRAVELER PACKAGE. (Only $129 a car!)

it would be cheaper to get plates through the DMV
You have to show proof that you are insured. Insurance is tyranny, your birth bond pays. :sarcasm:



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Post by Fortinbras » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:41 pm

I have just come across a recent (2014) court case that seems so gratifying that I want to share it with all of you.

I bet most readers of this thread have seen on Youtube the videos made by scofflaw drivers during traffic stops, when they make a point of giving the cop a hard time AND very distinctly trying to intimidate the cop by informing him that they are taping the whole thing on their cellphone. Well, here's a charming instance where it backfired.

In February 1913, in Ashland City, Ohio, a policewoman stopped a car being driven by Christopher D. Rarick, a deep-dyed traffic scofflaw whose driver's license was thoroughly suspended. Rarick gave her the usual Sovtard childishness, refusing to identify himself and the like, and very conspicuously pointed his cellphone at the policewoman and said he was recording this confrontation. Rarick was taken into custody and the policewoman seized the cellphone since it presumably would provide accurate (more or less) evidence of this event. At the police station, Rarick continued to be uncooperative. The police got a judge to sign a search warrant enabling them to search Rarick's cellphone for the video of the traffic stop. In the course of searching the cellphone memory for the traffic stop video the police discovered some kiddie porn. Whereupon the police obtained an additional search warrant to search the cellphone for additional evidence showing violations of the laws against kiddie porn, which was so productive (it included videos indicating that Rarick himself had filmed the children and had filmed himself raping one) that the police then got a third search warrant for Rarick's home and got even more evidence against him for child pornography and child molestation.

On trial for sex crimes involving children, Rarick challenged the admissibility of the evidence. He claimed that the first search warrant of his cellphone, ostensibly to find the video of the traffic stop, was excessively broad. The court said No, the warrant was specific that the search was for the traffic stop in which he had been arrested, and the supporting affidavit and the specificity of the warrant were entirely proper, but the clues about child pornography had been discovered only inadvertently during that search, and the small amount of child porn which had been found coincidentally was sufficient to justify the second and third warrants, which were expressly aimed at finding evidence of sex crimes involving minors. Rarick appealed and this decision was affirmed, and then Rarick tried to take the case to the US Supreme Court, which denied certiorari. Rarick is not presently expected to be driving a car until 2026.

U.S. v. Rarick (ND Ohio, Jan. 6, 2014) 2014 u.s.dist. LEXIS 953, 2014 WL 37740, aff'd (6th Cir., Jan. 78, 2016) 636 Fed.Appx 911, cert. denied (May 31, 2016) __ US __, 136 S.Ct 2403, 195 L.Ed.2d 773.

Jan 6, 2014 decision: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case ... 7454737122

Jan 7, 2016 decision: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case ... 7605443248

In other words, if a motorist is giving the police a hard time and makes a point of announcing that he's taping the encounter, the police who arrest him may seize the tape and use it for evidence of the traffic encounter .... and woe betide that troublesome motorist if the same tape incriminates him of unrelated offenses.



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Post by JohnPCapitalist » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:50 pm

Fortinbras wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:41 pm
Christopher D. Rarick, a deep-dyed traffic scofflaw [...] very conspicuously pointed his cellphone at the policewoman and said he was recording this confrontation. Rarick was taken into custody and the policewoman seized the cellphone since it presumably would provide accurate (more or less) evidence of this event. At the police station, Rarick continued to be uncooperative. The police got a judge to sign a search warrant enabling them to search Rarick's cellphone for the video of the traffic stop. In the course of searching the cellphone memory for the traffic stop video the police discovered some kiddie porn. Whereupon the police obtained an additional search warrant to search the cellphone for additional evidence showing violations of the laws against kiddie porn, which was so productive (it included videos indicating that Rarick himself had filmed the children and had filmed himself raping one) that the police then got a third search warrant for Rarick's home and got even more evidence against him for child pornography and child molestation.
Naughty me... my first thought when reading this was: GAVIN!



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Post by BigSkip » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:26 pm

JohnPCapitalist wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:50 pm
Fortinbras wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:41 pm
Christopher D. Rarick, a deep-dyed traffic scofflaw [...] very conspicuously pointed his cellphone at the policewoman and said he was recording this confrontation. Rarick was taken into custody and the policewoman seized the cellphone since it presumably would provide accurate (more or less) evidence of this event. At the police station, Rarick continued to be uncooperative. The police got a judge to sign a search warrant enabling them to search Rarick's cellphone for the video of the traffic stop. In the course of searching the cellphone memory for the traffic stop video the police discovered some kiddie porn. Whereupon the police obtained an additional search warrant to search the cellphone for additional evidence showing violations of the laws against kiddie porn, which was so productive (it included videos indicating that Rarick himself had filmed the children and had filmed himself raping one) that the police then got a third search warrant for Rarick's home and got even more evidence against him for child pornography and child molestation.
Naughty me... my first thought when reading this was: GAVIN!
Honestly that has been my suspicion about Gavin's flight from the start. I think there is something on that phone he really doesn't want to be found.



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Post by Gregg » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:21 am

Suranis wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:53 pm
So I saw this shown about on Farcebook



Soo I decided to check out the tunyurllink. It leads to this

http://shop.freedomfromgovernment.org/i ... 6c6862f1c8

Yes the freedom from government shop! That license plate is part of YOUR AMERICAN LAWFUL TRAVELER PACKAGE. (Only $129 a car!)
NOW included with ALL LAWFUL TRAVELER PACKAGES!
FREEDOM from GOVERNMENT; Acting with Honor and As King SECOND EDITION! THE BEST SELF IMPROVEMENT BOOK EVER!
NEW DESIGN FOR THE ALUMINUM NOTICES! (The other ones will be updated when they run out, so if you liked the old ones better get them now!)

PLATE REPLACEMENTS NOW AVAILABLE IN HEAVY DUTY ALUMINUM!

Freedom from government is PROUD to offer the American “Lawful Traveler Package”

The American “Lawful Traveler Package” includes:

Two (2) License plate replacements (Durable and weatherproof heavy duty printed aluminum plate replacements that are made to fit perfectly where your old plate went). NOTE: All orders including aluminum tags will be shipped priority!
Five (5) Exercise Your Rights Cards
One (1) I\'m Not Talking Sticker
Downloadable Notice to agents of government (WITH TEETH!) One to send to your local law enforcement, and one tho show them when you are stopped.
Downloadable Automobile surety bond (for lawful responsibility purposes in case of an accident)
Downloadable Declaration of political status document.
Downloadable Four pages of Supreme Court and other Citations about your right to travel.
One (1) Paperback copy of "Acting With Honor And As King" - police procedure book, how to handle all encounters with government.
Downloadable Instructions for use.

NOTE: By default all documents are instantly downloadable after checkout to conserve on paper and toner. If you need printed documents they are currently not available (sorry about that).
Sow at the bottom they cite a lot of Legal jibberish in small print that our lawyers can peruse. From the top!
Have a look at this Supreme court caselaw: "NOTICE the use of the word "motorist", not "traveler".

"We hold, therefore, that a random stop of a motorist in the absence of specific articulable facts which justify the stop by indicating a reasonable suspicion that a violation of the law has occurred is constitutionally impermissible and violative of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. It follows that a random stop solely for the purpose of a documents check is an unreasonable and unconstitutional detention of those in the stopped vehicle. Because the stop in the present case was arbitrary, and not based on justifying facts, it was illegal, and the evidence gathered as a result of the stop must be excluded from defendant\'s trial. The Superior Court order granting defendant\'s motion to suppress was correct as a matter of law.

AFFIRMED." - https://casetext.com/case/state-v-prous ... Z1PsTRX-yw

-----------------

Note about the Conveyance Bond (auto bond) - The „Auto Bond‟, certainly replaces typical „car insurance‟. State statutes state that one carries either „insurance‟ or a „Bond‟. Keep in mind that since the U.S. Bankruptcy,
1) all property was pledged to the state,
2) there is no lawful constitutional money in circulation to pay for anything, and
3) everything is insured or bonded! The debtor-slave on the plantation goes to a state licensed insurance company to „get‟ car insurance, enters into agreement with insurance company (co-business partner with the state) and you so-call pay with check, credit card or cash, which is reduced to or is „federal reserve notes‟.

Federal Reserve Notes, as stated by the Federal Reserve Bank states; “In the United States neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities. Intrinsically, a dollar bill is just a piece of paper, deposits merely book entries…” – Modern Money Mechanics – Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago – page 3 – Revised 6-1992; and B.), and as stated by the IRS; Federal Reserve Notes are valueless. (See IRS Codes Section 1.1001-1 (4657) C.C.H.) So what did the debtor-slave tender for the insurance? Valueless pieces of paper, or a piece a paper, a check, that is merely a bookkeeping entry somewhere that may result in more valueless paper to be tendered and/or certainly more bookkeeping entries sent somewhere. But what the debtor-slave tendered, he most likely „labored‟ for and yet he received nothing of equal valuable consideration (sweat labor for valueless pieces of paper). But in this insurance transaction, the State stays in control of all parties. And for the debtor-slave on the plantation, no insurance means at the traffic stop, a citation… commercial punishment which means more revenue for the state! As for the Secured Party Creditor, having laid the foundation of the knowledge and of the money issue, being the „Private Banker‟, either by previous agreement with the state, or otherwise can provide his own „Bond‟ as evidence if „Financial Responsibility‟.

The Bond is an insurance policy… acting as „in the event of‟ (an accident) “I promise to pay…” But Federal Reserve Notes are valueless „promises to pay‟, so when are you going to pay and in what? The Bond say‟s “…Every obligation, heretofore or hereafter incurred, whether or not any such provision is contained therein or made with respect thereto, shall be discharged upon payment, dollar for dollar, in any coin or currency which at the time of payment is legal tender for public and private debts. Any such provisions contained in any law(s) authorizing obligations to be issued by or under authority of the United States, is hereby repealed.” The Bond is „Evidence of Financial Responsibility‟. Certainly the Secured Party Creditor will know how to handle such situations and will know how to „discharge‟ any liability there from via acceptance for value. Also note; at the traffic stop, the police officer does not have a „License‟ to practice law and therefore cannot make a legal determination as to the validity of the Bond. The Bond is to be recorded into the Public making it recognizable in any administrative tribunal/court.


Yes I blew the 4 para rule out the water here, but this isn't even half of the small print text here. It goes ON and ON
It says right on the plate "I don't have a license or insurance" which a cop could read as "pull me over and impound this car". And it really wish it was a given that a car being driven without insurance should be towed, with very few exceptions. Oops, it expired a few days ago might be on an officer's doscretion, but "you can't make me" should mean you go ask the judge for your car back.
I've been hit by an uninsured driver and I don't have much patience for them.


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Post by Hercule Parrot » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:58 am

ATLANTA (AP) – A newspaper reports that a man suspected of killing a police officer before dying in a shootout with authorities in Georgia held anti-government views. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation said Tierre Guthrie was killed at his home in a shootout Saturday that began when sheriff’s deputies tried to serve a warrant for failing to appear in court for traffic violations.

Also killed was Locust Grove Police Officer Chase Maddox. Two deputies were injured. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution quoted neighbor Bryan Narcisse on its website Saturday as saying Guthrie had previous run-ins with deputies and didn’t believe they had the right to be on his property.
Guthrie’s sister, Claudette Wright, told the newspaper that Guthrie held extreme anti-government views and believed in conspiracy theories.

https://wdef.com/2018/02/11/newspaper-o ... overnment/



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Post by scirreeve » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:00 am

JohnPCapitalist wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:17 pm
Northland10 wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:22 pm
Florida also appears to have little tolerance for the nuts' antics. Tennessee and Colorado also appear to be aligning themselves as locations where playing SovCit paper terrorism can get you into serious trouble

It does show how sorry old Joaquin DeMorta-Folch's games really are. Though he filed something, somewhere, related to a prosecutor's and judge's property, it was so badly done that it did not trigger any law enforcement response. He never quite figured out which court is which and where you send things like liens.
It's funny... poor old Joaquin seems to be a few years past his sell-by date. Haven't heard anything from him lately. I checked his web site and there's all sorts of sparkly, color-filled ranting about something or other about Corrections Corp. of America -- apparently because of something about the Bundy's.

But Joaquin seems to be utterly and completely ignored by the poots like other nutters these days. Krazy Kapt. Karl comes to mind, as does Lazaro Ecenarro, who uses a yellow highlighter on every third word in enormous dumps of random documents to "prove" all sorts of conspiracies.

Or am I missing something? Does anybody listen to him any more, and I'm just not finding it?
No one pays attention to him. I saw some poot today reposted the fake court stuff he wrote for the MNWR thing. Don't remember which one or where I saw it. Nobody, including me, cares.



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Post by Sam the Centipede » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:14 am

scirreeve wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:00 am
<< Joaquin DeMoreta-Folch >>
No one pays attention to him. I saw some poot today reposted the fake court stuff he wrote for the MNWR thing. Don't remember which one or where I saw it. Nobody, including me, cares.
:violin: :crying:
Oh, the sad life of a failing sovcit guru! When not only the marks have walked away* but the mockers can't even bother to open a fresh bag of popcorn, it's time to give up.

Mock Orly Taitz all you like** but she knows how to keep her peanut gallery entertained with a gumbo of old idiocy and fresh lunacy topped with her special blend of hatred and xenophobia.

* those that aren't in prison
** yes, please do



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Post by Northland10 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:12 am

scirreeve wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:00 am
JohnPCapitalist wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:17 pm
Northland10 wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:22 pm
Though he filed something, somewhere, related to a prosecutor's and judge's property, it was so badly done that it did not trigger any law enforcement response. He never quite figured out which court is which and where you send things like liens.
Does anybody listen to him any more, and I'm just not finding it?
No one pays attention to him. I saw some poot today reposted the fake court stuff he wrote for the MNWR thing. Don't remember which one or where I saw it. Nobody, including me, cares.
I had to search around to remember how to spell his full name. He had faded so much from view, I had forgotten.


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 am

Sam the Centipede wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:14 am
scirreeve wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:00 am
<< Joaquin DeMoreta-Folch >>
No one pays attention to him. I saw some poot today reposted the fake court stuff he wrote for the MNWR thing. Don't remember which one or where I saw it. Nobody, including me, cares.
:violin: :crying:
Oh, the sad life of a failing sovcit guru! When not only the marks have walked away* but the mockers can't even bother to open a fresh bag of popcorn, it's time to give up.

Mock Orly Taitz all you like** but she knows how to keep her peanut gallery entertained with a gumbo of old idiocy and fresh lunacy topped with her special blend of hatred and xenophobia.

* those that aren't in prison
** yes, please do
Has Orly Taitz already been disB.A.R.red :?: ;)



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Post by Fortinbras » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:24 am

Back to the Christopher Rarick case for a moment. I think that (a) the case itself is amusing in its irony, (b) it important for police to know that, if the arrested motorist claimed to be making a video of the encounter, the motorist's camera/smartphone should be seized for evidence when the arrest is made, and then examined (properly following the law on search warrants, etc.) - at the very least the video of the motorist's argument with the police should be humiliating in court. Anyone here with police contacts should inform police depts of this possibility.

With regard to those bogus license plates that say Private or Not-for-Hire or something similar (heck, just any homebrew license plates, no matter what they say): These are flypaper for traffic stops. It's hard to imagine that a vehicle with bogus plates could avoid being stopped by the very first policeman who sees it. The people making and selling these plates must know that by now, and they persist in raking in money selling gullible people something that is sure to get them into serious trouble. There's gotta be a name for the people selling trouble like this.



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Post by Suranis » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:28 am

Yeah, the word is conmen. The plates are cheap to make, and its not THEM that will get into trouble for it. Which isn't very just in my opinion but there it is. The people selling this shit should be culpable too.

Granted, they are scamming the greedy and stupid, but to paraphrase Barnum its very hard to con an honest man.


Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

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Post by neeneko » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:53 am

Fortinbras wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:24 am
Back to the Christopher Rarick case for a moment. I think that (a) the case itself is amusing in its irony, (b) it important for police to know that, if the arrested motorist claimed to be making a video of the encounter, the motorist's camera/smartphone should be seized for evidence when the arrest is made, and then examined (properly following the law on search warrants, etc.) - at the very least the video of the motorist's argument with the police should be humiliating in court. Anyone here with police contacts should inform police depts of this possibility.
As amusing as this particular case was, I am not really in favor of this type of blanket policy.

One of the ways police have been 'fighting back' against citizens filming law enforcement is arresting the person for 'interfering' and seizing their phone as evidence. Given how critical and personal phones have become in people's lives, this has produced a rather worrying chilling effect. You might get your phone back, you might not. You might have strangers looking through private conversations and photos, you might even get your phone back damaged or non functional.



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Post by TheNewSaint » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:26 am

neeneko wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:53 am
One of the ways police have been 'fighting back' against citizens filming law enforcement is arresting the person for 'interfering' and seizing their phone as evidence. Given how critical and personal phones have become in people's lives, this has produced a rather worrying chilling effect. You might get your phone back, you might not. You might have strangers looking through private conversations and photos, you might even get tour phone back damaged or non functional.
Seconded. Citizens can have very valid reasons for filming law enforcement activity. This activity needs to be protected.



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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:10 pm

Gregg wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:21 am

It says right on the plate "I don't have a license or insurance" which a cop could read as "pull me over and impound this car". And it really wish it was a given that a car being driven without insurance should be towed, with very few exceptions. Oops, it expired a few days ago might be on an officer's doscretion, but "you can't make me" should mean you go ask the judge for your car back.
I've been hit by an uninsured driver and I don't have much patience for them.
Me, too. I agree with you that these people shouldn't be on the road. OTOH, there are a lot of poor folks driving uninsured beaters either because they can't get insurance, or they can't afford the insurance, but still need a way to get around.

It seems that much of this sovcit rebellion is fuelled by simple financial desperation - can't afford to make the payments? Guess what - you don't have to! And people buy into it because they really don't have any other option when it comes to trying to hold onto what little they have, instead of losing it and sinking even further into poverty.



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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:15 pm

I assume Ms dinner desert doesn't try this herself in case she falls foul of moving suddenly while being a dark skinned car driver?


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Post by Fortinbras » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:39 pm

With reference to civilians filming police, sometimes this sort of filming is actually "casing the joint". I have found at least one court case that supported the police in shooing away people who were filming the interior and/or exterior of the police station (which, of course, included the lockup) because such photography could be used to plot an attack on the police station (either to kill policemen or free/lynch a prisoner); similarly with filming a bank and a jewelry store. By a similar token, there was a civil lawsuit some years ago by some plainclothes and undercover police when some publisher, supposedly under contract to the police dept, churned out a sort of police department yearbook that included photos of the faces of these undercover cops, thereby negating their effectiveness and putting them at great risk.

However, I have no doubt that a video of someone's encounter/confrontation with the police (apart from undercover work) would be entirely permissible. (A very real consideration is that the photographer should do nothing to interfere or exacerbate the situation.)



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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:19 pm

Unilever to Facebook and Google: Clean up 'swamp' or we'll pull ads
Unilever is threatening to pull its advertising from digital platforms that it says have become a "swamp" of fake news, racism, sexism and extremism.

The forceful warning to digital platforms such as Google (GOOGL) and Facebook (FB) will be delivered at an advertising conference in California later on Monday.

Weed will say that a proliferation of objectionable content on social media -- and a lack of protections for children -- is eroding social trust, harming users and undermining democracies.
"This is not something that can brushed aside or ignored," he will say in the speech.

Unilever would no longer advertise on platforms that create divisions in society or fail to protect young people.



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