The Gnostics took over Christianity 2000+ years. Freemasonry is the biggest Gnostic Christian Fraternity in the world. It doesn't matter what group is it, the Freemasons are going to take over. The Freemasons run the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups for the Jewish bankers. The Jewish bankers control the Vatican. The Vatican control the entire world through Freemasonry. All the churches, Sovereign citizens group, hate groups, religious groups, etc. are controlled by the Vatican through Freemasonry.
If you have a Satanic cult in your basement, the cops which are part of the Fraternal Order of Police going to show up. The cops and the Freemasons going to take over your Satanic cult. If you don't want to join, they will take your Satanic cult down. Even if the Satanic cult is runned by Freemasons, the cops are going to show up to make sure that the Satanic cult doesn't get independent of the control of the Jewish Bankers.
The Last Supper of Jesus is cannibalism. Cannibalism allows for the Extra-Terrestrial beings to shapeshift to look like man and walk among us as true human beings.
Sovereignty gurus are part of the secret society. Why? If there is a demand, we will fill it. Sovereignty gurus put on the act that they are against attorneys. The truth is that they work for attorneys.
The job of the sovereign gurus is to give the sovereign citizens the disinformation so the judge got their ass. They volunteer to go to jail by claiming the Upper and Lowercase name is them and they are a natural person.
I don't see that sovereign citizens object that they don't meet the statutory definition of person. They just claim they are not the artificial but they claim to be the natural one. It doesn't matter which person, the court have jurisdiction over all persons.
“Person” defined. “Person” includes this State or any other state, government or country which may lawfully own property within this State whenever it is used to designate a party whose property may be the subject of an offense."- NRS 193.0205
A person is the state's property which is the body. The man or woman is put inside the person. The person which is a piece of paper doesn't go to jail but the man or woman which is the body goes to jail. For a Nevada criminal offense, the man or woman is a body inside the body politics which is the State of Nevada. That is how they ended up in jail.
sovereigngetowned wrote:My conspiracy theory is that Sovereign Gurus work for the attorneys and judges. Their job is to put misinformation out there. When the sovereign citizens repeat the myths to the judge, the judge got their ass. They show up to court and tell the judge that they are the thing they are looking for. Now the court have jurisdiction because they got the person they looking for and can proceed.
I missed out on a lot of this discussion due to weekend travel, so I'm sorry to join late.
I love the reasoning in this belief: First, assume the premise that SovCit nuttery is valid and is supposed to work. Then discover via empirical observation that SovCit nuttery never actually does work in court. Conclude that there is an extremely elaborate conspiracy involving both the judges and the "gurus" advocating SovCit nuttery to capture all the customers of the various gurus and imprison them. It couldn't possibly be that SovCit nuttery is actually wrong and just doesn't work of its own accord.
Like most conspiracy theories, one simple fact when used in conjunction with non-fallacious logic will blow up the conspiracy. Here, it's blown up by the fact that the SovCit gurus use their own tactics in their court cases and lose all the time. If they were in league with the eeebil gummint, you'd think that their nonsense would work on their cases and fail everywhere else. Otherwise, the eeebil gummint would be shutting down their operation to jail all the tranny-fighting patriots who go to court, if there were no more gurus to recruit them.