Just some guy wrote: Northland10 wrote:
Just some guy wrote:
Are you saying that the states were federal territory?
If Ireland or Greece left the EU, would they still be part of the EU?
What does the EU have to do with anything. The union did not recognize the right of the states to separate themselves from the union and nullify the Constitution. The belief of the federal government and the states that did not secede was that the Constitution and the laws made therein did not provide a mechanism to leave the Constitution union.
It is about the US Constitution. What rules the EU has is up to the EU and their member states.
Who cares what the UNION recognized, the declaration makes it clear as day
, when the government needs to be disbanded it will...end of story.
You know who else thought the colonies did not have the right to secede?
It did not provide a mechanism because one is not needed, did England provide a mechanism for us to leave them?
How about you show me in the constitution were it says the states can not leave the union?
I assume you are referring to the Declaration of Independence.
Unfortunately for your arguement, the DOI is not a legal document. It is an extremely important historical document, but it has little or no value in court. You can not defend yourself in court by saying that your rights under the DOI have been violated. It is basically a propaganda piece, explaining to the American populace, why it was necessary to break the ties with England.
While the Constitution does not specifically say that states can not secede from the union, SCOTUS cases after the civil war ruled that, for legal purposes, the Confederate states had never left they union. They did not need to "rejoin" the union, as they never left it. They merely needed to lay down their arms and send elected representatives and senators to Washington to take their places in Congress. I am not a lawyer, so I can't quote the exact cases.
As for your questions about being a citizen of a state while also being a citizen of the US, you obviously don't understand one of the most fundamental principles of the US Constitution and history: dual sovereignty. We have a system, in which both the states and the Federal government are considered to be sovereign, which seems to be a contradiction. Besides, read the 14th Amendment. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside
.". In my mind, it could not be clearer, that, since I was born in Akron, Ohio, I am a citizen of the US and of Ohio. When I lived in California for four years, I was a citizen of the US and a citizen of California.