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Post by Northland10 » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:24 pm

So, is this dead in the water for the plaintiff's lack of standing or injury? I do not know the Florida rules on standing.
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Well this is exciting!! A lawyer that actually stands up for the People of Florida!



Sarasota attorney suing Gov. Rick Scott about FDLE appointment







So now a B.A.R. attorney is a good thing. :lol:
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Post by Hektor » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:34 pm

Yes Gimmy, although this is the sort of thing that many lawyers often do (sue the government for an act that is perceived as unjust), so I don't know why you think this is exactly exceptional. Did you happen to notice what the B.A.R. attorney didn't do though? She He didn't grab a few of her his buddies and pretend to be a jury and pretend to indict Governor Scott.



PS, the voices in your head do not constitute "the People of Florida."



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Post by bob » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:44 pm

So, is this dead in the water for the plaintiff's lack of standing or injury? I do not know the Florida rules on standing.I couldn't find the complaint, but the news article describe the suit as alleging the firing* violated the open-government ("sunshine") laws. So more likely dismissal for failure to state a claim.* Not the firing per se; the appointment of his replacement.
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Post by GimmyTruth » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:33 am

Rick Scott and the boys may be getting into some real trouble!!



A recent US Supreme Court decision clarified and confirmed that the government and their agents can be held liable and accountable for wrongdoing carried out by officials in its employment while on the job.



Could someone put this on the Terry Trussell thread? I'm not allowed to. Freedom of speech ????

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Post by SueDB » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:46 am

Why? It doesn't have anything to do with TT.



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Why? It doesn't have anything to do with TT.



He's burnt toast.







O yes it does.



1) Rick Scott directed Judge James C. Hankinson to convene the TT case. The Gov. is one of the defendants! Willie Meggs and Hankinson were assigned from a different judicial district, by Scott via the FDLE.



2) According to the Florida Grand Jury Handbook provided at FloridaSupremeCourt.org, a Grand Jury Foreman has complete immunity for his actions except in the case he breached the rights of a witness. Because there were no witnesses, brought before the Jury, Terry George Trussell maintained his immunity.



3) The evidence in this case is clear. If you report a crime by a government official in Dixie County, you will be prosecuted as a criminal. Every action that TT took was based on the Constitution of the US, Supreme Court decision in the case of US v Williams (1992) as well as the Florida Grand Jury Instructions and the

FL Grand Jury Handbook.

PROTECTION AND IMMUNITY OF GRAND JURORS

Grand jurors are fully protected from actions against them by being an independent body answerable to no one except the court that empanels it. No inquiry may be made to learn what grand jurors said or how they voted. The law gives the grand juror complete immunity for official acts. There is only one exception: if a grand juror testifies as a witness for the grand jury as to a commission of a crime and that testimony is perjured, the juror could be prosecuted for that perjury. This complete protection for the official acts obviously is vital to the operation of the grand jury and points up that grand jurors should be citizens of unquestionable integrity and high character.

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Post by bob » Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:08 am

Gummy: That case that you think is relevant is all about federal employees. But you knew that before you blindly linked it, yesno?



P.S.: Your desire to post in the Trussell thread on this site has nothing to do with the First Amendment, but a constitutional patriot like yourself knew that, yesno?
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Post by Notorial Dissent » Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:37 am

Pure nonsense Gimmy, even for you. The governor didn't tell Hankinson to convene anything, that had already happened when Trussell started this farce and ultimately got his lying ass thrown in jail. If Trussell had been a member of a valid and properly constituted Grand Jury at the time you might have a point, but he'd already been removed and was acting in violation of the law assuming an authority and office he did not hold. Also, Grand Juries DO NOT get to decide what they investigate, they investigate at the direction of the State's Attorney and under the supervision of the court, or not at all. So NO immunity, since not a grand juror at the time of the commission of the crime. Actually, if you file a false police report, you can and will be prosecuted, and that is effectively what Trussell did while pretending to be a grand juror.
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Post by realist » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:22 am

O yes it does.



No, it doesn't.



Apparently sovcits read rules/regs/statutes/case law with the same accuracy as birthers... zero.







The Gov. is one of the defendants!





Not in Terry's case. Defendant in what?







According to the Florida Grand Jury Handbook provided at FloridaSupremeCourt.org, a Grand Jury Foreman has complete immunity for his actions except in the case he breached the rights of a witness. Because there were no witnesses, brought before the Jury, Terry George Trussell maintained his immunity.



Except TT was not the foreman of the grand jury but pretended to be when he presented his BS "indictments". So no immunity attaches.







The evidence in this case is clear. If you report a crime by a government official in Dixie County, you will be prosecuted as a criminal. Every action that TT took was based on the Constitution of the US, Supreme Court decision in the case of US v Williams (1992) as well as the Florida Grand Jury Instructions and the





Nope. Wrong again. You can properly report crimes or suspected crimes to the proper authorities all you want. What you can't do is highjack a legally-empanelled grand jury, then when busted on that just make up a Denny's grand jury and file while pretending to be a real grand jury foreman.



And as bob pointed out, the case you cite relates to federal employees.



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Post by Foggy » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:57 am

Such a silly child you are, Mark. Is it true you have to label all your shoes L and R in order to put them on correctly?
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Post by Paul Lentz » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:42 am

Could someone put this on the Terry Trussell thread? I'm not allowed to. Freedom of speech ????



I'd like to address this request from Mark in general. I'm not speaking for anyone here (especially not for Foggy, Realist, et. al.) but only for myself.



1. When one is placed in a restricted status on an internet forum (as you are, Mark, by being confined to the FEMA Camp), it is considered very poor netiquette for others to "post by proxy" that person's words in the area(s) to which he (you) have no access. It is my hope that no one here would replicate your posts by proxy in the forums outside the FEMA Camp.



2. Please read the Constitution, Amendments, Article I: Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom or speech...

This forum is not government property, Mark. It may have public access (or you wouldn't be here at all), but it is not publicly-owned. A private business is not constrained by the 1st Amendment from limiting "freedom of speech" on/in his property. For example, if you go into a Sears store and start yelling that their appliances are junk, you'll be (at the least) escorted from that store by security and/or the police. It's private property, and you have no right of "freedom of speech" in that store.



This seems to be one of the hardest concepts for some "patriots" to grasp...the 1st Amendment cites freedoms which may not be abridged (and many exceptions have been carved out over the years) by Congress...but the 1st Amendment does not provide you with any rights whatsoever, nor any protections whatsoever, on or within private property, including private property which is publicly accessible.
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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:44 am

Gimme, what I don't get is why you guys keep switching from statutory grand jury to common law grand jury and act like it's the same "grand jury." Trussell was a foreman, once, but threw a temper tantrum and was removed. That part of the story is over. He no longer gets to pretend he's the foreman . Yet that's exactly what he did when he filed his paperwork (and is still doing in his interviews and papers). That's fraud, as in impersonating a public official. When making his case on RWNJ radio, he intentionally gave the false impression it was the findings of a legit grand jury when he knew damn good and well it was his make-believe "grand jury" that voted to indict. According to his own documents, the real grand jury showed him as much (dis)respect as Siegmeister did, as in they didn't buy his baloney either. At no time was Trussell EVAH filing legit paperwork as the foreman of a legit grand jury. I don't know how much more dumbed-down I can make it for you.
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Post by Notorial Dissent » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:25 am

Paul, good intentioned though your advice to Gimmy is, I seriously doubt he will even attempt to read the documents he pretends to champion, for the simple reason of too many big words and words he doesn't really know the meaning of. He had proven quite effectively by now that his reading comprehension just isn't up to it.Gimmy, in common with most of the other paytriots I have come across is all about rights, the problem is that his rights supersede everyone elses.
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Post by GimmyTruth » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:35 am

TT was the authorized Foreman of the Grand Jury. He was the Foreman until 8/29/14. Seigmeisters petition must go to a Grand Jury before TT is indited and or arrested! Seigmeister should of excuse himself from TT's case because of a possible conflict of interest or lack of impartiality.



8. August 1, 2014 - During the meeting of the Dixie County Grand Jury, State

Attorney Jeffrey A. Siegmeister, among numerous other infractions, declares, "This

is my meeting. This is my Grand Jury." Trussell responded, “If this is your grand

jury, why am I here?” Siegmeister quipped, “I am wondering the same thing.”



9. August 4, 2014 - Terry Trussell drafts a statement detailing the untenable

conflicts with State Attorney and hand-delivers it to Judge Cynthia Munkittrick.



10. August 5, 2014 - Munkittrick fails to respond to Trussell’s request for

resolution of conflict with Siegmeister. In absence of any indication of Court

support, Trussell files a Bill of Information with the Dixie County Clerk of

Courts, deeming the statutory Grand Jury of Dixie County compromised and tainted,

in an effort to protect himself.



11. August 7, 2014 – a letter is drafted (8/5) by Parker and emailed to Trussell

via Siegmeister claiming Parker was at my disposal at the Dixie County Courthouse

on August 1, during the Grand Jury meeting. His insinuation was that he was

fulfilling the requirements of his office and it was my fault I didn’t reach out to

him when I had irreconcilable differences with Siegmeister. According to Trussell’s

response to him, his letter appears to be too little, too late in a lame attempt to

cover his unprofessional conduct. Had he been diligent in his duty, he would have

notified Trussell in advance of the meeting, not 7 days later, then blame Trussell

for not knowing the change in Court authority had been made. There was no

indication of the date Court Authority was changed.



12. August 11, 2014 - As Florida is a Common Law state, people of Dixie County meet

to elect 25 jurors in accordance with Common Law.





13. August 14, 2014 - The People's Grand Jury under Common Law meet at the Dixie

County Courthouse to hear evidence of criminal activity within their borders.



14. August 15, 2014 - Dixie County Clerk of Court, Dana Johnson, receives and files

two (2) True Bills of Presentment issued by The People's Grand Jury under Common

Law of Dixie County. a. The first True Bill of Presentment charges State Attorney,

Jeffrey A. Siegmeister with Obstruction of Justice and Tampering with the Jury.



15. August 18 and August 20 - Terry Trussell and others are interrogated by the

Florida Department of Law Enforcement for approximately two hours each session



16. State Attorney Jeffrey A. Siegmeister retaliates by filing a Petition to have

Terry Trussell removed from the Grand Jury.



17. August 29, 2014 – Trussell receives letter (Dated 8/25) from Chief Judge Greg

Parker of the Third Judicial Circuit Florida, informing him of his granting of

Siegmeister’s Petition and that Trussell’s services are no longer needed.



18. September 2, 2014 – Around 10:30 AM, Trussell mails reply to Parker’s 8/25

letter (with copies to Siegmeister/Hatcher/Johnson).



19. September 2, 2014 – At 3:08 PM, Terry Trussell is arrested and taken to jail.


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Gimme, what I don't get is why you guys keep switching from statutory grand jury to common law grand jury and act like it's the same "grand jury." Trussell was a foreman, once, but threw a temper tantrum and was removed. That part of the story is over. He no longer gets to pretend he's the foreman . Yet that's exactly what he did when he filed his paperwork (and is still doing in his interviews and papers). That's fraud, as in impersonating a public official. When making his case on RWNJ radio, he intentionally gave the false impression it was the findings of a legit grand jury when he knew damn good and well it was his make-believe "grand jury" that voted to indict. According to his own documents, the real grand jury showed him as much (dis)respect as Siegmeister did, as in they didn't buy his baloney either. At no time was Trussell EVAH filing legit paperwork as the foreman of a legit grand jury. I don't know how much more dumbed-down I can make it for you.







Seigmeister over steeped his bounds and the court Judge Cynthia Munkittrick did not assist to resolve any problems.



State of Florida Grand Jury Instructions.



6 DISQUALIFICATION OF STATE ATTORNEY (OR STATEWIDE PROSECUTOR)

6.1 If the state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) is disqualified from advising and participating in the duties of the grand jury, the court will appoint a special state attorney (or a special statewide prosecutor).

The state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) will counsel, assist, and advise the grand jury; however, should any irreconcilable conflict arise between the state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) and the grand jury, the court is available to assist in resolving the problems.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:46 am

Riddle me this, Gimme. The indictment against Common Core and Siegmeister - Was that voted on by the REAL grand jury or by the pretend Denny's Grand Slam Jury?



As we all know, the REAL grand jury wasn't interested in Trussell's tirade. He then went to the pretend grand jury, got them to vote and THAT'S what he filed at the courthouse. In doing so, he impersonated a public official by pretending the documents came from the REAL grand jury. That's fraud, that's why the fake documents were removed and that's why Trussell was arrested.



You both intentionally obscure the fact that these were two different groups of people being referred to as grand juries. You both talk about Trussell being foreman of the Dixie County Grand Jury and then switch over to the fake group hoping to mislead the uninformed into believing they are one and the same group. They aren't. You know it. Trussell knows it. Everyone here knows it. Game over. You lost. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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Gimme, what I don't get is why you guys keep switching from statutory grand jury to common law grand jury and act like it's the same "grand jury." Trussell was a foreman, once, but threw a temper tantrum and was removed. That part of the story is over. He no longer gets to pretend he's the foreman . Yet that's exactly what he did when he filed his paperwork (and is still doing in his interviews and papers). That's fraud, as in impersonating a public official. When making his case on RWNJ radio, he intentionally gave the false impression it was the findings of a legit grand jury when he knew damn good and well it was his make-believe "grand jury" that voted to indict. According to his own documents, the real grand jury showed him as much (dis)respect as Siegmeister did, as in they didn't buy his baloney either. At no time was Trussell EVAH filing legit paperwork as the foreman of a legit grand jury. I don't know how much more dumbed-down I can make it for you.







Seigmeister over steeped his bounds and the court Judge Cynthia Munkittrick did not assist to resolve any problems.



State of Florida Grand Jury Instructions.



6 DISQUALIFICATION OF STATE ATTORNEY (OR STATEWIDE PROSECUTOR)

6.1 If the state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) is disqualified from advising and participating in the duties of the grand jury, the court will appoint a special state attorney (or a special statewide prosecutor).

The state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) will counsel, assist, and advise the grand jury; however, should any irreconcilable conflict arise between the state attorney (or the statewide prosecutor) and the grand jury, the court is available to assist in resolving the problems.









Even if he did, (which I do not believe), there are proper channels to follow and gathering up a group of buddies and calling them a grand jury is not one of them. Trussell broke the law and he's going to prison. And thanks to "friends" like you, it will be for a hell of a lot longer than it should be.
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Post by SueDB » Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:52 am

Older women make shitty prison widows. I hope she can get transportation to wherever they house him at the other end of the state.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:15 am

I wonder if Trussell's wife will be taken care of by Rodger B. Dowdell, Jr. Trussell's wife and much younger daughter that is.

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Seigmeister over steeped his bounds and the court Judge Cynthia Munkittrick did not assist to resolve any problems.





In what way or ways?



And even if he did, how does that give TT the right to form an illegal grand jury, pretend it's a real one and file indictments?
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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:28 am

Dowdell has gone off the radar, hasn't he? At least I haven't heard anything about or from him. Is he lying low, secretly advising Trussell so he doesn't get arrested himself? I'd go with Yes.



Re: the PDF Gimme posted here a few days ago that showed Trussell as the author. People at PFA are noticing the charges in the pdf differ from Trussell's original accusations (something pointed out by a fogbowser, as well). They also have noticed, thanks to Lou Rawls' comment at Hoyt's site, that Trussell is listed as the author. They've been debating among themselves if Trussell actually wrote it or it was written by Hoyt who gave Trussell authorship in order to keep his files in order(?).
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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:34 am

For S&G I went to Hoyt's page to check any new comments regarding Trussell's latest paper. The same four comments are still there. Only two likes for the article. He's not getting much support. I'm kind of surprised.
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Post by Foggy » Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:46 am

Gimmy, you silly silly child.



Of all the things that could possibly help Terry Trussell, none of them involve Fogbow. This is just a community of people who like to discuss politics and are fascinated by extremely stupid people such as yourself.



Even if you could get every last member of Fogbow to agree with you -- which you know is impossible since mostly we mock your ignorance and lack of ethics -- we couldn't do Trussell any good.



If you really want to help him, go away and do something to help him. Telling us your idiotic fantasies isn't helping him one little bit.
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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:08 am







TT was the authorized Foreman of the Grand Jury. He was the Foreman until 8/29/14. Seigmeisters petition must go to a Grand Jury before TT is indited and or arrested! Seigmeister should of excuse himself from TT's case because of a possible conflict of interest or lack of impartiality...









Well, for starters, Siegmeister did "excuse" himself. That's how Meggs was appointed. Also too, Judge Hankinson was appointed to the case because of a possible conflict of interest, as in Trussell accused Judge Parker(?working from memory?) of misconduct. But as I recall, there's been a lot of ranting in your world lately BECAUSE of the new appointments, as if that was evidence of Scott's corruption. As much as I hate to admit this, that appointment was one of the few things Scott's done right.



You can't have it both ways GT. You can't demand the SA and judge be replaced due to conflict of interest and then complain that upper level corruption caused the SA and judge to be replaced.
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