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Post by mimi » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:14 pm

tweet:House Elections Cmte approves Lyle Rowland's #birther bill by 7-2-1 vote. [/break1]co/bakwe0Dc]http://t.co/bakwe0Dc #moleg[/break1]com/ProgressMO/statuses/172000799965196288]http://twitter.com/ProgressMO/statuses/ ... 9965196288this link in that tweet is to this pic:



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:39 pm

MO house approved this bill for "Perfection" on a voice vote a few minutes. By pure coincidence I popped to the website while the debate was on. The Republicans seem determined to pass this one. 3rd reading is next.



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Post by mimi » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:53 pm

This bill can't be implemented. Why are they wasting this time?Obama's short form wouldn't have cut it. In fact nobody's would. Yet most states have now gone to short forms with much less information than previously given.So what's a candidate to do if he lost his/her original birth certificate?You're out of luck in Missouri?Is it just me?



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:10 pm

On thing that amused me was that the Bill sponsor doesn't understand his own Bill. He said it wouldn't apply until 2016 but he also said that it would come into force 28th August 2012. Well the 28th is the most likely date for the GOP presidential nomination vote and the Democratic convention isn't until the following week so it looks to me as if they would be caught.A slightly mischevious thought - we know the President can produce a certified LFBC but if say Michigan only produces short-forms and decline to make an exception in time (7 days after nomination) than no place on the Missouri ballot for Romney. :lol: It's all academic - it's still got to get through the Senate and even if it does I doubt the Governor will sign it.



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Post by mimi » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:27 pm

A slightly mischevious thought - we know the President can produce a certified LFBC but if say Michigan only produces short-forms and decline to make an exception in time (7 days after nomination) than no place on the Missouri ballot for Romney. :lol: :P



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Post by mimi » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:33 pm

Sarah Martin ‏ @SarahWMartinBirther Lyle spewing inaccuracies- says a drivers license proves you are a us citizen #moleg1h Sarah Martin Sarah Martin ‏ @SarahWMartinRep Webb "we didn't have this issue until Barack Obama became Pres" #moleg1h Sarah Martin Sarah Martin ‏ @SarahWMartinRep Webb "do you believe Pres Obama is a citizen?" Birther Lyle won't answer1h Sarah Martin Sarah Martin ‏ @SarahWMartinRep Steve Webb inquiring Birther Lyle Rowland. Should be good.[/break1]com/#!/SarahWMartin/]https://twitter.com/#!/SarahWMartin/



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Post by mimi » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:53 pm

Rep. Stacey Newman ‏ @staceynewmanVoice vote on birther bill. Passed perfection stage. House floor leader is plaintiff in Birther suit re Pres Obama. #Birtherbillnonsense1h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman ‏ @staceynewmanWe are actually voting on MO birther bill. The rest of the country must think we have truly lost our mind. #birtherbill1h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman ‏ @staceynewmanAnother example of legislators making policy not knowing how current election law and convention procedures work. #birtherbill1h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman ‏ @staceynewmanJust inquired of birther bill sponsor Rep Rowland of his intent. Does not get that the RNC and DNC certifies qualification of nominees.1h Rep. Stacey Newman Rep. Stacey Newman ‏ @staceynewmanWe are debating on the floor for Obama's birth certificate to be available for all Missourians to see. #thebirtherbill[/break1]com/#!/staceynewman/]https://twitter.com/#!/staceynewman/



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Post by esseff44 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:09 pm

Some of these bills are getting very close to being bills of attainder which they would be if they add criminal sanctions. As it is, from the way they are talking, these are private bills meant to cause problems for one particular candidate and purely for political purposes. They are doing it for the smear just like the lawsuits are for the smear.



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Post by Foggy » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:00 pm

I have a vague memory that Missouri only gives out short forms and no Missourian could run for president under this bill. Or was it Tennessee?


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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:18 pm

I recall reading the same about Missouri birth certificates, Foggy.



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Post by Sequoia32 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:31 pm

I have a vague memory that Missouri only gives out short forms and no Missourian could run for president under this bill. Or was it Tennessee?Your memory is correct.Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available by the controlling legal authority at the time of the candidate's birth, and shall be kept and maintained by the secretary of state, and shall be deemed a public record under chapter 610.The most complete record of birth at the time of the candidate's birth is the whole form with the confidential medical and social info on it...And how are they going to establish what form was available for each candidate at birth? How much taxpayer $$ is that going to take? Especially since prior to 1986, most people didn't even get a BC until they needed a SSN - usually when they got their first job.


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Post by mimi » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:16 pm

Missouri Republicans Embrace Birtherism, Pass Bill Requiring Proof Of CitizenshipBy Adam Peck on Mar 29, 2012 at 6:00 pmMissouri House Republicans today passed a so-called birther bill, which would require all presidential and vice presidential candidates to provide proof of citizenship to the state before they were allowed to appear on the ballot.remainder:[/break1]org/politics/2012/03/29/455044/missouri-republicans-birther-bill/]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/ ... ther-bill/



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Post by bob » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:22 pm

Missouri Republicans Embrace Birtherism, Pass Bill Requiring Proof Of Citizenship"For the record," it actually hasn't been passed yet. As noted by the [/break1]stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/missouri-house-approves-birther-bill/article_cd2808da-7920-11e1-8076-001a4bcf6878.html]article that thinkprogress quotes (and [/break1]huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/missouri-birther-bill-lawmakers-preliminary-passage_n_1385575.html]HuffPo), it passed a preliminary voice vote.The actual vote is next week.


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Post by Welsh Dragon » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:33 pm

Not so Bob - it passed its 3rd reading in the House today. Now it goes on to the Senate.



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Post by bob » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:36 pm

Not so Bob - it passed its 3rd reading in the House today.Although the quoted articles do not say that, [/break1]house.mo.gov/billactions.aspx?bill=HB1046&year=2012&code=R]Missouri's bill tracker and [/break1]stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/missouri-house-approves-birther-bill/article_3b3a2f0a-79db-11e1-b961-001a4bcf6878.html]this article do indicate it was passed today.


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Post by mimi » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:41 pm

"For the record," it actually hasn't been passed yet. As noted by the [/break1]stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/missouri-house-approves-birther-bill/article_cd2808da-7920-11e1-8076-001a4bcf6878.html]article that thinkprogress quotes (and [/break1]huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/missouri-birther-bill-lawmakers-preliminary-passage_n_1385575.html]HuffPo), it passed a preliminary voice vote.The actual vote is next week.thanks, bob. I was confused cuz Think Progress said it passed today. I thought that voice vote happened yesterday. yesterday:RT @ssnich: Speaker, @LeaderJones and @RyanSilvey don't allow roll call on Rowland #birther bill. Passes by voice vote. #moleg :-?



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Post by June bug » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:50 pm

As I understand it, proponents claim the current version doesn't go into effect until 2016, though some skeptics have postulated that they may plan an end run to change the effective date along the way. Also, didn't someone say that the Democratic Governor planned to veto it? Not to mention that even if it became law, it would have to be knocked down by the courts for violating FF & C, among its many other constitutional defects. (It is, of course, also deliciously ironic that Missouri itself only issues short form bc's.) :yawn: An easy "dog whistle" vote for Repubs who know they won't ever have to deal with the consequences of this idiocy.



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Post by bob » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:50 pm

I was confused cuz Think Progress said it passed today. I thought that voice vote happened yesterday.WD is correct; it did pass today.





IIRC, this is only the fourth time birther legislation has cleared a legislative chamber (Arizona house in 2010; both Arizona chambers in 2011, which led to, well, you know.)


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Post by mimi » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:59 pm

thanks. I shoulda hit preview before I hit submit.



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IIRC, this is only the fourth time birther legislation has cleared a legislative chamber (Arizona house in 2010; both Arizona chambers in 2011, which led to, well, you know.)There is another - 2011 the Missouri House passed a substitute to SB282, creating an omnibus election bill which included some birfing. The Senate refused to concur and a conference committee produced a substitute that excluded the birfing. The conference substitute was passed by both houses but then vetoed by the Governor.



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Post by Chilidog » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:33 am

Isn't Missouri a short form state?Does this mean that no one from Missouri can run for President?Wait, maybe that's a good thing. . . .



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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:06 am

Watch it, dog!



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:12 pm

Just learned that this bill has a hearing in its Senate Committee on Monday:Committee: Financial & Governmental Organizations and Elections, Senator Kevin Engler, ChairmanDate: Monday, April 16Time: 2:30 pmRoom: Senate LoungeHB 1046 - RowlandRequires presidential and vice presidential candidates to submit valid birth certificates...http://www.senate.mo.gov/hearingsschedule/hrings.htm7 Republicans and 2 Democrats on that Committee.



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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:50 pm

Just learned that this bill has a hearing in its Senate Committee on Monday:Committee: Financial & Governmental Organizations and Elections, Senator Kevin Engler, ChairmanDate: Monday, April 16Time: 2:30 pmRoom: Senate LoungeHB 1046 - RowlandRequires presidential and vice presidential candidates to submit valid birth certificates...http://www.senate.mo.gov/hearingsschedule/hrings.htm7 Republicans and 2 Democrats on that Committee.Sounds fine, the 2008 COLB ought to do the job for age and NBCness. But how will they check the other part of the POTUS requirement, the 14 year residency?



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Post by Suranis » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:44 pm

Illinous senete public records should do nicely


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