Birther Bills Summary

User avatar
Reality Check
Posts: 14553
Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:09 pm
Location: USA
Contact:

Birther Bills Summary

#26

Post by Reality Check » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:21 am

First, a big shout out goes to Welsh Dragon for providing me with some great questions to ask Senator Beavers. =D>





I won't say it was a waste of time to prepare for the show but I could have saved an hour or two. It was obvious after a question or two that Mae Beavers had not even read her own bill much less comprehend what was in it. She said she had submitted the bill because questions had arisen about Obama being eligible. She extended the bill to cover other offices because "we used to know everybody that was running; they were our neighbors." I am not sure what she meant. I said we know a lot about all the major candidates because people start digging into their past as soon as they become a serious candidate. We know more about them than we do our neighbors.





Sen. Beavers hasn't read much of the Constitution either. When I asked her about the Full Faith and Credit clause she drew a big blank. Georgetown questioned her on the requirement in the bill for 14 consecutive years of residency, which is not required by Article II, and again their was silence. Most astoundingly, she didn't even know that her own bill as written would prohibit the current President from being on the ballot in 2012 (based on the no multiple citizenship section). She didn't seem at all troubled by this conclusion since as she kept repeating, that's what committees do is fix things in bills.





Unfortunately, a birther named "Mike" called and recited the birther lies about needing to see the "long form" and the governor of Hawaii saying they had no birth certificate. While Georgetown was educating Mike Sen. Beavers departed. I was ready to move on to her health care bill but never made it to that subject. I plan to invite her to a future show to talk about her health care bill.


"“If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.”

Heather Heyer, November 2016

User avatar
Butterfly Bilderberg
Posts: 7646
Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:26 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#27

Post by Butterfly Bilderberg » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:36 am

I plan to invite her to a future show to talk about her health care bill.About which I suspect she will be equally uneducated. The proposal is chock full of vague generalities about the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, employs bizarre terminology, and evidences that the author does not understand the enforcement/penalty mechanism of the ACA. Lots of fertile ground to plow.


"Pity the nation that acclaims the bully as hero,
and that deems the glittering conqueror bountiful."
- Kahlil Gibran, The Garden of The Prophet

BFB
Posts: 5283
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:48 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#28

Post by BFB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:52 am

I plan to invite her to a future show to talk about her health care bill.About which I suspect she will be equally uneducated. The proposal is chock full of vague generalities about the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, employs bizarre terminology, and evidences that the author does not understand the enforcement/penalty mechanism of the ACA. Lots of fertile ground to plow.All of which furthers my suspicion that there is someone in the background pulling the strings and supplying these jokers with templates.



User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#29

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:00 am

I plan to invite her to a future show to talk about her health care bill.About which I suspect she will be equally uneducated. The proposal is chock full of vague generalities about the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, employs bizarre terminology, and evidences that the author does not understand the enforcement/penalty mechanism of the ACA. Lots of fertile ground to plow.All of which furthers my suspicion that there is someone in the background pulling the strings and supplying these jokers with templates.Well DUH #-o As evidenced by the Beavers bombing on RC radio...She doesn't have the mental horsepower to write anything at all - and she submitted over 100 bills. What the hell could be wrong in TN that this moron has to submit 100 bills??? -xx -xx -xx


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#30

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:03 am

I plan to invite her to a future show to talk about her health care bill.About which I suspect she will be equally uneducated. The proposal is chock full of vague generalities about the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, employs bizarre terminology, and evidences that the author does not understand the enforcement/penalty mechanism of the ACA. Lots of fertile ground to plow.All of which furthers my suspicion that there is someone in the background pulling the strings and supplying these jokers with templates.But but but that's what committees are for...(deliberately put forward schlocky crap hoping that someone or "someone" will straighten this cluster f*ck out who is just as clueless as her - She needs to be recalled ASAP


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
Plutodog
Posts: 11927
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:11 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#31

Post by Plutodog » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:06 am

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.


The only good Bundy is an Al Bundy.

User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#32

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:14 am

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.But you don't want any of them to be afraid of appearing. That would seriously degrade the entertainment value. [-X


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
Plutodog
Posts: 11927
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:11 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#33

Post by Plutodog » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:15 am

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.But you don't want any of them to be afraid of appearing. That would seriously degrade the entertainment value. [-XTrue, but we also have a responsibility to educate, do we not? :-k


The only good Bundy is an Al Bundy.

User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#34

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:16 am

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.One of the problems though is that the folks who vote for her would vote for her whether she is the devil, satan, etc or not. :twisted: :twisted:


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#35

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:16 am

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.But you don't want any of them to be afraid of appearing. That would seriously degrade the entertainment value. [-XTrue, but we also have a responsibility to educate, do we not? :-kYou can only educate the receptive. ](*,)


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
Plutodog
Posts: 11927
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:11 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#36

Post by Plutodog » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:19 am

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.But you don't want any of them to be afraid of appearing. That would seriously degrade the entertainment value. [-XTrue, but we also have a responsibility to educate, do we not? :-kYou can only educate the receptive. ](*,)We may reach their offspring. ?( And entertain a wider audience! -xx


The only good Bundy is an Al Bundy.

User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#37

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:23 am

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.But you don't want any of them to be afraid of appearing. That would seriously degrade the entertainment value. [-XTrue, but we also have a responsibility to educate, do we not? :-kYou can only educate the receptive. ](*,)We may reach their offspring. ?( And entertain a wider audience! -xxAhh, the big tent idea...snicker... =))It is like a 3 ring circus - when one ring is down, there's crap going on in Ring #2.


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
Sterngard Friegen
Posts: 43160
Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:32 am
Location: Over the drawbridge

Birther Bills Summary

#38

Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:03 am

Ahh, the big tent idea...snicker... =))It is like a 3 ring circus - when one ring is down, there's crap going on in Ring #2.Blame it on the elephants!



User avatar
bob
Posts: 23538
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:22 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#39

Post by bob » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:13 pm

All of which furthers my suspicion that there is someone in the background pulling the strings and supplying these jokers with templates.It would be no problem for a legislator to direct a staffer to draft a birther bill, and then the said staffer merely copies another state's birther bill.


Imagex5 Imagex2 Imagex3 Imagex2

User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#40

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:39 pm

All of which furthers my suspicion that there is someone in the background pulling the strings and supplying these jokers with templates.It would be no problem for a legislator to direct a staffer to draft a birther bill, and then the said staffer merely copies another state's birther bill.But you could actually draft a bill that would pass Constitutional muster, and that really wouldn't add anything to what is currently practiced. Lots of to-do about nada... =D>


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

BFB
Posts: 5283
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:48 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#41

Post by BFB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:55 pm

All of which furthers my suspicion that there is someone in the background pulling the strings and supplying these jokers with templates.It would be no problem for a legislator to direct a staffer to draft a birther bill, and then the said staffer merely copies another state's birther bill.But you could actually draft a bill that would pass Constitutional muster, and that really wouldn't add anything to what is currently practiced. Lots of to-do about nada... =D>That's just it ... a bill that would pass Constitutional muster really wouldn't do anything different .. but it gives the RENJs the opportunity to spin ...



User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#42

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:04 pm

All of which furthers my suspicion that there is someone in the background pulling the strings and supplying these jokers with templates.It would be no problem for a legislator to direct a staffer to draft a birther bill, and then the said staffer merely copies another state's birther bill.But you could actually draft a bill that would pass Constitutional muster, and that really wouldn't add anything to what is currently practiced. Lots of to-do about nada... =D>That's just it ... a bill that would pass Constitutional muster really wouldn't do anything different .. but it gives the RENJs the opportunity to LIE spin ...
Edit: fixed it for ya ...

It makes them look like they are doing something, when in all actuality they are ripping off the public and ignoring the actual problems - like WHERE ARE THE FREAKING JOBS??? -xx


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#43

Post by SueDB » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:07 pm

From what I have seen of the Missouri effort - they HAD a birfer bill, but found out that Missouri only issues a short form COLB - period...the crap about the original BC kinda hit them wrong...I do believe they looked at the bill again and have pretty much decided it would be much more money and trouble than it is worth. It is hard to bankroll bankrupt ideas. :-({|=


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

User avatar
Kriselda Gray
Posts: 8645
Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:17 am
Location: FEMA Camp 2112 - a joint project of the U.S. and Canada
Contact:

Birther Bills Summary

#44

Post by Kriselda Gray » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:16 pm

Sounds like a transcript and audio sent to targeted news outlets might be a good idea.But you don't want any of them to be afraid of appearing. That would seriously degrade the entertainment value. [-XTrue, but we also have a responsibility to educate, do we not? :-kI'd suggest maybe sending something to Salon - possibly the War Room guys - they seem to like writing about stupid politicians, Dave Weigel, TPM, Crooks & Liars. I have an account at FDL and one of the editor's there has been a blog-friend of mine for a while; I wouldn't feel right asking her to promote it to the front page - and I certainly cannot promise anything - but did promoted one of other the three posts I've made (one about the agent provocateurs Mark Williams was trying to get to mess with the SEIU,) so there's at least a possibility it could get front paged. If you want to write anything up about it, just send it PM and I'll post it there (with appropriate credit, of course!)


Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand... - "Witch Hunt" by Rush

SCMP = SovCits/Militias/Patriots.

Thor promised to slay the Ice Giants
God promised to quell all evil
-----
I'm not seeing any Ice Giants...

User avatar
Welsh Dragon
Posts: 2811
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:29 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#45

Post by Welsh Dragon » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:46 pm

I've been a bit remiss in keeping the Birther Bill Scorecard up to date but it is at the moment:[/break1]scribd.com/doc/48031378/Birther-Bills]Birther BillsWe currently have live Bills in TX, GA,TN, MO, IN, NE an odd on in ME which would only apply to primaries an ME doesn't have presidential primaries.



Toro
Posts: 31
Joined: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:50 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#46

Post by Toro » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:57 pm

As I understand it, the Maine bill isn't a birfer bill. The author has tried to distance himself from the birfer debate.After the hearing, Cebra said the bill was not related to the proliferation of so-called "birther" bills that have been advanced by GOP legislators in other states, a series of proposals driven by questions about Obama's citizenship."I have no interest in the birther idea, although it did raise the questions about the House and Senate candidates," Cebra said.[/break1]vitalchek.com/agency_info.aspx?t=birth&p=8661&s=loc]http://www.vitalchek.com/agency_info.as ... 8661&s=locOne guy I know claims to have spoken to the author of the bill who stated that it is not directed at Obama.



User avatar
Sequoia32
Posts: 4699
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:47 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#47

Post by Sequoia32 » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:48 pm

You know, I think it is significant that the reps in all of these states are introducing bills that keep a specific person - President Obama - off the ballot, but where are the bills aimed specifically at persons like Roger Calero?Where were the bills after his 2004 run for POTUS?Oh, that's right, he's not Black...


So far every case of Ebola in this country got it by helping people. So relax, Republicans, you're in the clear. - Tina Dupuy

User avatar
Paul Lentz
Posts: 3661
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:56 pm
Location: Downtown O-town

Birther Bills Summary

#48

Post by Paul Lentz » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:09 pm

It's an interesting irony, I think, that--after all the squawking and shrieking LSOS Sharon ("I am not a litigious person") Marooni has inflicted on Illinois regarding the various "proofs" (citizenship, residence, age) she believes should be required of candidates and open for public inspection--that no birther bill has been introduced in Illinois. The Illinois General Assembly has been in session since early January, and will remain in session until sometime in May, although I think some of the deadlines for bill submission and for bills to clear committees, etc. may have passed or be coming up soon.Very early on in her crusade, Marooni was told--quite clearly--that the place to pursue her "ballot eligibility" interests was in the Illinois General Assembly, not the courts. But Marooni didn't want to hear that, imagining that the courts were a shortcut which would bypass the state's legislature (Marooni was apparently absent from 6th grade social studies on the day they learned about the three branches of government (federal or state) and who MAKES law, as opposed to INTERPRETS or ENFORCES law).And this would have been the year to make the change (since she has made it clear that she questions President Obama's eligibility). The 2012 Illinois presidential primary is scheduled for March 20, which falls pretty much in the middle of the 2012 Illinois General Assembly session dates. It's highly unlikely that any law passed in the 2012 General Assembly would effect the 2012 Illinois presidential primary (and the qualification of candidates to be on that ballot).I have to admit that I'm a little bit surprised that Marooni couldn't find even ONE RWNJ Illinois legislator to introduce some sort of eligibility bill this year. Perhaps--even likely--she didn't bother to try. Or perhaps she was simply rebuffed.


The love of power will not win over the power of love.
Orlando, Florida 6/12/16

BFB
Posts: 5283
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:48 pm

Birther Bills Summary

#49

Post by BFB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:24 am

Someone please tell me if I'm mistaken (like you wouldn't), but isn't all this hoo-haa over these eligibility bills just a ... well ...hoo-haa?My impression from reading all of what you've written is that states are compelled by the full faith and credit clause to accept any official document from any other state. So it really doesn't matter how they enumerate what they want on the birth certificates -- and the birth certificates really are the crux of most of them -- if a state issues a BC that says, "Examiner was born here, so deal with it," they have to accept it.Am I correct in my thinking, or am I all wet?



User avatar
SueDB
Posts: 27756
Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:02 pm
Location: FEMA Camp PI Okanogan, WA 98840

Birther Bills Summary

#50

Post by SueDB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:32 am

Someone please tell me if I'm mistaken (like you wouldn't), but isn't all this hoo-haa over these eligibility bills just a ... well ...hoo-haa?My impression from reading all of what you've written is that states are compelled by the full faith and credit clause to accept any official document from any other state. So it really doesn't matter how they enumerate what they want on the birth certificates -- and the birth certificates really are the crux of most of them -- if a state issues a BC that says, "Examiner was born here, so deal with it," they have to accept it.Am I correct in my thinking, or am I all wet?That is the way I understand it. The problem is that a law passed by the legislative body and signed/approved by the executive is considered by default "Constitutional". Someone has to object by filing suit to block enforcement and to challenge the constitutionality of the new law. It is up to the Judiciary to "judge" the law vs the US Constitution. Many state legislatures find passing stupid crap like these Birfer Bills will only cost them time and money litigating these abortions of the American experience. Governments get to spend more of YOUR TAX MONEY going to court over defending the unmitigated hate and blatant Anti-Americanism that permeates these measures.Wheeeee - no offense to our brilliant legal staff here and the only folks that win here are the lawyers. -xx -xx -xx


“If You're Not In The Obit, Eat Breakfast”

Remember, Orly NEVAH disappoints!

Post Reply

Return to “Birther Legislation”