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Post by SueDB » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:58 am

You just can't trust the two faces of Mark Hatfield. You can try if you don't think so... #-oHatfield is in Georgia. This was Sen Schaaf of Missouri bein' a sneaky bastadge.Same diff. It seems like in this case, they are interchangeable divided by a small chunk of a couple other states....They're both sneaky bastards, and they accuse Obama of being snaky.This is was is left, trying to sneak this crap into the back door by amending some other piece of legislation while no one is looking. Look for one of them to "IMPROVE" any piece of unsuspecting legislation. What can't get by the Legislature normally, someone tries the "mad minute" of the last part of the session to stealth this puppy somewhere. If you're gonna vote on something, it would be a good idea if the Legislator at least read it. -xx -xx


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Post by verbalobe » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:11 am

You just can't trust the two faces of Mark Hatfield. You can try if you don't think so... #-oHatfield is in Georgia. This was Sen Schaaf of Missouri bein' a sneaky bastadge.Same diff. It seems like in this case, they are interchangeable divided by a small chunk of a couple other states....They're both sneaky bastards, and they accuse Obama of being snaky.This is was is left, trying to sneak this crap into the back door by amending some other piece of legislation while no one is looking. Look for one of them to "IMPROVE" any piece of unsuspecting legislation. What can't get by the Legislature normally, someone tries the "mad minute" of the last part of the session to stealth this puppy somewhere. If you're gonna vote on something, it would be a good idea if the Legislator at least read it. -xx -xxTo be clear: Not that anyone cares. I wouldn't want any lurker getting the idea that anyone is afraid Obama or anyone else would be impeded by these unconstitutional bills.But this is the business of the states, and the people's representatives, and it reflects badly on all of us, and costs everyone money, when the law goes gonzo.



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Post by mimi » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:22 am

I'm here for the giggles. :P



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Post by SueDB » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:31 am

You just can't trust the two faces of Mark Hatfield. You can try if you don't think so... #-oHatfield is in Georgia. This was Sen Schaaf of Missouri bein' a sneaky bastadge.Same diff. It seems like in this case, they are interchangeable divided by a small chunk of a couple other states....They're both sneaky bastards, and they accuse Obama of being snaky.This is was is left, trying to sneak this crap into the back door by amending some other piece of legislation while no one is looking. Look for one of them to "IMPROVE" any piece of unsuspecting legislation. What can't get by the Legislature normally, someone tries the "mad minute" of the last part of the session to stealth this puppy somewhere. If you're gonna vote on something, it would be a good idea if the Legislator at least read it. -xx -xxTo be clear: Not that anyone cares. I wouldn't want any lurker getting the idea that anyone is afraid Obama or anyone else would be impeded by these unconstitutional bills.But this is the business of the states, and the people's representatives, and it reflects badly on all of us, and costs everyone money, when the law goes gonzo.Until it crosses the state/federal line. In this particular case...we have a mixture. I don't give a crap about what MO does to a certain point, but when they infringe on the Rights given to us in the US Constitution at the higher (federal) level, then...


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Post by bob » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:42 am

At least the Missouri Senate has some standards for what gets tacked onto a bill. Sen Justus raised a point of order that the birther bill as an amendment to a bill to change the date of the Presidential primary was outside the scope and intent of the original bill....and crazy quota. ;) (If only that was an actual point of order. Of course, if it was, there's be too free time to actually govern.)


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Post by bob » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:09 pm

I got a phone call from Lyle Rowland, sponsor of the presidential eligibility certification bill in Missouri.The bill finally passed the committees and is going to a full vote of the house this week or next week. Demand that your state representatives and senators vote for the bill.[/break1]house.mo.gov/billsummary.aspx?bill=HB283&year=2011&code=R]HB 283: Bill currently not on a House calendar





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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:18 pm

There was a comiittee meeting that started at 14:00 EDT - it may have passed there although it wasn't on the agenda.



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:03 pm

It's perhaps worth remembering that unless this Bill was amended by the committee it only requires "proof of identity and proof of United States Citizenship" - No Problem!The Governor is of course a Democrat so I doubt if anything more than minor irritation will get through.



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:32 pm

There's something odd going on here - the bill status has still not changed on the MO website even though the status of other bills the committee dealt with yesterday and today have changed. Could it be Orly got it wrong? :-k I've emailed the committee chair but no reply yet.



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:22 pm

OK I think I've worked out what's happened (or not happened) to HB 283.





There remains no evidence that Lyle Rowlands' HB283 was passed by Election Committee yesterday.





BUT SB282 was. This was a bill to change the date of the presidential primary from February to March in accordance with the diktats of the RNC & DNC. However the committee replaced it with a committee substitute to widen it's scope considerably:





HCS/SB 282 - This act modifies numerous laws relating to elections and public contractsand buried within that substitute is a provison that:





When certifying presidential and vice presidential nominees and requesting that such nominees be placed on the ballot, the state committees of each political party shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and proof of natural born citizenshipI've not yet seen the text of the substitute so I don't know how specific the requierments are yet. My quotes are from the summary at:


[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=4150828]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web ... ID=4150828





(BTW there's beuty of a typo in there)



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Post by mimi » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:05 pm

FiredUp! Missouri:House Birther Caucus Adds Their Silliness to Elections BillSubmitted by .Sean on April 15, 2011 - 7:01amOrly Taitz would be proudThe House Elections Committee passed a revised version of SB282 Thursday. The original bill changed the presidential primary from February to March, but now includes additional provisions, including a requirement for presidential candidates to wave their birth certificate in front of Missouri officials. The point of the provision is clear: to fuel rumors and discussion of about the citizenship of a certain Islamic socialist usurper president. [snip]Rep. Lyle Rowland (R-Cedarcreek) is also pushing this nonsense in a stand-alone bill (HB283)Sadly, the omnibus elections bill left the committee with the support of two Democratic members, Reps. Joe Fallert (D-Ste. Genevieve) and Pat Conway (D-St. Joseph).[/break1]firedupmissouri.com/content/house-birther-caucus-adds-their-silliness-elections-bill]http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/ ... tions-billI don't see that text when I click on the bill.



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Post by mimi » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:09 pm

FiredUp! tweeted the bill to me.[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web/Summary.aspx?SessionType=R&SummaryID=4339859&BillID=4150828]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web ... ID=4150828Yeah, that's the only sentence in it.When certifying presidential and vice presidential nominees and requesting that such nominees be placed on the ballot, the state committees of each political party shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and proof of natural born citizenship.Sounds vague. :-? I suppose it all depends on if you have a funny sounding name or something.



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Post by BFB » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:07 pm

FiredUp! tweeted the bill to me.





[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web/Summary.aspx?SessionType=R&SummaryID=4339859&BillID=4150828]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web ... ID=4150828








Yeah, that's the only sentence in it.





When certifying presidential and vice presidential nominees and requesting that such nominees be placed on the ballot, the state committees of each political party shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and proof of natural born citizenship.Sounds vague. :-? I suppose it all depends on if you have a funny sounding name or something.

Or a really deep tan.



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:39 pm

FiredUp! tweeted the bill to me.[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web/Summary.aspx?SessionType=R&SummaryID=4339859&BillID=4150828]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web ... ID=4150828Yeah, that's the only sentence in it.When certifying presidential and vice presidential nominees and requesting that such nominees be placed on the ballot, the state committees of each political party shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and proof of natural born citizenship.Sounds vague. :-? I suppose it all depends on if you have a funny sounding name or something.That's not the bill itself but a sort of "plain english" summary - the text itself doesn't seem to have appeared yet. - it could be as harmless as Rowlands' bill is or stupider than AZ.



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Post by June bug » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:15 pm

FiredUp! tweeted the bill to me.





[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web/Summary.aspx?SessionType=R&SummaryID=4339859&BillID=4150828]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web ... ID=4150828








Yeah, that's the only sentence in it.





When certifying presidential and vice presidential nominees and requesting that such nominees be placed on the ballot, the state committees of each political party shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and proof of natural born citizenship.Sounds vague. :-? I suppose it all depends on if you have a funny sounding name or something.Or a really deep tan.Paging Sharon Moron... Paging Sharon Moron...




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Post by Welsh Dragon » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:25 pm

I only just noticed this line at the bottom of the bill summary:[This act is similar to SCS/SB 84 (2005), SB 726 (2006), SB 138 (2007), SB 797 (2008), SB 70 (2009), SB 266 (2011), SB 292 (2011),SB 226 (2011), and HB 217 (2011)That's Sen Schaaf's silly birfer bill![/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bill/intro/SB292.pdf]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bil ... B292.pdfSo that's clue of the detail in this one.



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:12 pm

SB 282 is scheduled for an executive session in Rules committee tomorrow 4/20.Bit difficult to call this one - we don't know the exact provisions so we don't know if the birther side is"mostly harmless" or completely insane. The bill itself is such a mishmash I've no idea which parts have strong support and which will not.A particular issue is that I assume that both parties will want the Presidential Primary moved so that reduces the possibility of a Veto.I also don't think Rules can amend in MO - they either pass it onto the floor or back to Elections committee. IInteresting.



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:47 pm

I swear Missouri's website must be the worst of all the legislatures I've visited!I've just found the committee substitute to SB282. The key part from our point of view is:115.399. 1. Not later than the twelfth Tuesday prior to each presidential election, or2 notwithstanding any prior laws to the contrary, in the year 1996 and thereafter, within seven3 working days after choosing its nominees for president and vice president of the United States,4 whichever is later, the state committee of each established political party shall certify in writing5 to the secretary of state the names of its nominees for president and vice president of the United6 States. Such certification shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and of proof of status7 as a natural born citizen of the United States for each nominee and the origins of such8 evidence. Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available9 by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birth, and shall be kept and10 maintained by the secretary of state, and shall be deemed a public record under chapter11 610. The burden of proof for such evidence shall lie solely upon each nominee. As used12 in this subsection, "natural born citizen" means having been declared a national and13 citizen of the United States at birth under 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409, as amended, or14 having been declared a national and citizen of the United States under federal law as it15 existed at the time of the nominee's birth[/break1]house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills111/billpdf/commit/SB0282C.pdf]http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bi ... 82C.pdfThe requirement is repeated for primary elections.That's an interesting way around "long form birth certificate" but still falls foul of full faith and credit, let alone anything else. Still the Vattelistas will be furious.



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Post by MaineSkeptic » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:54 pm




[with many snips]





I've just found the committee substitute to SB282. The key part from our point of view is:





Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available


by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birth
That's an interesting way around "long form birth certificate" but still falls foul of full faith and credit...Does it? It's not clear to me what "available by the controlling legal authority" actually means. There certainly is a sense in which original Hawaiian birth records are available to the controlling authority, but that's not what it says.



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Post by BFB » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:58 pm

Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available9 by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birthSo if the long form was the "most complete record of birth available" when Obama was born, that's what they'll want.Full Faith and Credit fail, IMO.



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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:04 pm







[with many snips]





I've just found the committee substitute to SB282. The key part from our point of view is:





Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available


by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birth
That's an interesting way around "long form birth certificate" but still falls foul of full faith and credit...Does it? It's not clear to me what "available by the controlling legal authority" actually means. There certainly is a sense in which original Hawaiian birth records are available to the controlling authority, but that's not what it says.That "by" is I think a typo. The controlling authority is the state, county, or city of birth, (I'm leaving out overseas births for simplicity). They're trying to get the most complete record the "controlling authority" had not the one they currently issued, hence the problem with full faith and credit.





Of course I could be wrong.



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