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Post by Orlylicious » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:34 pm

New Monmouth poll shows HRC +5 in Florida, yay. Here's why I'm pushing so hard on the #Birther issue:
Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump in Florida has shrunk to 5 points from last month's edge of 9, a Monmouth University survey released Tuesday reported. In a four-way race, the Democratic presidential nominee has 46 percent support to Trump's 41 percent. Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson receives 6 percent support, while only 1 percent plans to vote for the Green Party's Jill Stein.

“Although Clinton’s lead is smaller than in our last poll, she is maintaining her advantage in Florida given the ominous state of her poll standing last week,” said Monmouth's Patrick Murray.

The poll also found that Trump's recent attempt to end the "birther" controversy by reversing on his long-standing belief that President Obama may not have been born in America "does not seem to have had the intended effect.”

While 76 percent of Floridians said that their vote will not be impacted by Trump's birther reversal, 18 percent said that it makes them less likely to vote for the GOP nominee.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... in-florida

All the great people here who have been debunking and showing the fraud and racism that is birtherism need to get the word out far and wide, Arpaio is still birfing and DJT has not settled the issue by far.
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Post by esseff44 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:38 pm

Okay, let's look at the 18% that say they are less likely to vote for Trump because of last Friday's performance conceding that Obama was born in the US. Is it because it makes him look weak to concede in such a chickenshit way or is it because they are convinced he has let them down or is it because they now see him in a new light as a person who cannot be believed or are they mad he paused on birthing which they are still holding onto. I would also like to know how many think he doesn't mean it and is just saying it because his staff made him say it just so he can get elected.

Did his campaign managers miscalculate by making him say those words? Will he revert to wink, wink, nod, nod that he was right and keep the bithering up but in a different way? It's been too good to him. It's has put him where he is more than any other thing. How can he give it up?

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Post by Loren » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:15 pm

(Cross-posted from Trump 2016 thread)

PolitiFact - Hillary Clinton and the birther movement: Still nothing there
Again, none of this adds up to the Clinton campaign or Clinton herself promoting the rumor. Furthermore, while disgruntled Clinton supporters played a role in spreading the birther theory, evidence suggests they didn’t create it, according to Georgia attorney Loren Collins, who’s been tracking the origins of birtherism for years.
Lots more at the link. 8-)

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Post by Orlylicious » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:27 pm

FL: Only 24% think Trump believes Obama is a natural born citizen, 54% political reasons.

http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institu ... FL_092016/
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Post by Orlylicious » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:32 pm

Interesting NY Times article about using the word "lie" in the paper:
When to Call a Lie a Lie
Liz Spayd THE PUBLIC EDITOR SEPT. 20, 2016

Language of any sort is among the most powerful tools in politics. Consultants are specialists in what words to use — it’s called messaging — and it’s with careful consideration that news organizations make decisions about how and when they allow reporters and editors to use particular terms. The Associated Press, in one example, continues to cause a stir after it banned the phrases “climate deniers” and “climate skeptics” from its articles last year.

“Lie” falls into this general category, especially with Trump on the scene. It’s a loaded word, but in the case of Trump and birthers it passes my smell test. The Republican nominee has propagated a bogus claim about Obama’s nationality that is meant to undermine the nation’s first black president and ignite a strange political movement. Yet it is unequivocally false and Trump knows that.

That said, I think The Times should use this term rarely. Its power in political warfare has so freighted the word that its mere appearance on news pages, however factually accurate, feels partisan. It feels, as Ryan said, as if you’re playing the referee in frivolous political disputes.

Trump’s birther moment was no frivolous dispute among sparring candidates. It was part of a five-year campaign tinged with racial overtones and dark motives. On a day when the Republican candidate backs off that claim, with a smile and a wink, I say it’s time to call a lie a lie.
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Post by Orlylicious » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:47 am

Seth Myers takes on Trump birthing and almost 800,000 views in a day! Please don't give up on debunking birthers, it could be crucial in swing states.

Trump Lies about His Birther Past: A Closer Look
Late Night with Seth Meyers
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Published on Sep 19, 2016

Seth takes a closer look at Donald Trump's recent claim that he did not start the birther movement.
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Post by Sam the Centipede » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:43 am

The power of Trump's birther retraction appears to me to be in how it shows him to be an unreliable, inconsistent, mendacious dickhead. The actual truth of the birther issue (or, rather, the lack of truth) is almost irrelevant.

I suspect that the low information voters are not going to be swayed by policy debates or annoying things like facts. But some might be persuaded to see the light if Trump is exposed to more mockery showing (a) his personal vileness and lack of decency, and (b) the absurdity or vacuity of his proposals.

For example, even the most ill-educated voter ought to understand that not getting paid for their work because Trump stiffed their employer on a simple contract correctly completed is disgraceful.

That said, if those idiots spend all their time watching Fox News and other RW lying crap, they're going to be difficult to reach.

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Post by Reality Check » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:41 pm

Loren wrote:(Cross-posted from Trump 2016 thread)

PolitiFact - Hillary Clinton and the birther movement: Still nothing there
It's nice to see Politifact finally get it right on Hillary Clinton not starting Birtherism. They have seriously bothced some earlier articles on the subject. Thnaks for helping to set them straight. :thumbs:
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Post by Slim Cognito » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:15 pm

We know that Trump said Obama was born in the US period. We know Arpaio is still birfing. But today, per Politico, Arpaio gave us a new cudgel for the media to bludgeon Trump with, if they'll take it (and he'll give them the opportunity).
Joe Arpaio: Trump didn’t call Obama’s birth certificate ‘legitimate’
Sooo, Mr. Trump. You say Obama was born in the US. Do you also believe his birth certificate is legitimate?

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Post by Orlylicious » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:23 pm

Yay, have been tweeting a lot about Arpaio still birthing. Meanwhile no repentance at all..
September 21, 2016, 07:54 pm
Trump on birther announcement: 'I wanted to get on with the campaign'
By Nikita Vladimirov

Donald Trump on Wednesday said he wanted to "get on with the campaign" when he announced last week that he had moved past conspiracy theories about President Obama's birthplace.

When asked what made him change his mind about Obama's birthplace in an interview with Ohio's Fox 28, the Republican nominee replied that he wanted to focus on the real issues of the campaign.

"Well I just wanted to get on with, I wanted to get on with the campaign. A lot of people were asking me questions," he said. "We want to talk about jobs. We want to talk about the military. We want to talk about ISIS and get rid of ISIS. We want to talk about bringing jobs back to this area because you've been decimated so we just wanted to get back on the subject of jobs, military, taking care of our vets, etc."
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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:13 pm

Looks like it's been confirmed...
Omarosa: ‘Every Critic, Every Detractor, Will Have to Bow Down to President Trump’
by Josh Feldman | 7:40 pm, September 22nd, 2016

Frontline has a big election special airing next week, and they released a clip focusing on what people in Donald Trump‘s orbit consider the night he decided to run. What night was that? Why, the night President Obama mocked him at the White House Correspondents Dinner in 2011.

Omarosa and Roger Stone were both interviewed for the special, and Omarosa recalled how while watching Obama “hammering” Trump, she thought, “Oh, Barack Obama is starting something that I don’t know if he’ll be able to finish.”

And Omarosa gave this actual quote (I cannot emphasize enough that this is a real thing she said):
“Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump. It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”
http://www.mediaite.com/online/omarosa- ... ent-trump/
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Post by esseff44 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:29 pm

I thing we have discussed that many times since the night of the WHCD. It was obvious Trump was stung badly. He deserved it and more. You could almost feel the plan for revenge starting to form.

Trump's payback list probably a lot longer than his thousand of pages of his tax returns. He wouldn't have time to do anything else except wiping out his perceived enemies.

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esseff44 wrote:I thing we have discussed that many times since the night of the WHCD. It was obvious Trump was stung badly. He deserved it and more. You could almost feel the plan for revenge starting to form.

Trump's payback list probably a lot longer than his thousand of pages of his tax returns. He wouldn't have time to do anything else except wiping out his perceived enemies.
Amen. The more humiliation he accumulates for his slimy acts and statements about our POTUS, the better. :twisted:
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esseff44 wrote:I thing we have discussed that many times since the night of the WHCD. It was obvious Trump was stung badly. He deserved it and more. You could almost feel the plan for revenge starting to form.

Trump's payback list probably a lot longer than his thousand of pages of his tax returns. He wouldn't have time to do anything else except wiping out his perceived enemies.
Gee, I clearly remember Tricky Dick being the most vile President in modern times. How much do I have to endure in one lifetime? :crying: Trump would make Nixon's Enemies List look like child's play.
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Post by Adrianinflorida » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:17 am

So, some run for president to fulfill a need to serve, some for ego, and Drumpf is doing it for revenge, sounds about right.

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I've been calling the pubs the "Party Who Can't Shoot Straight" since all those pubs had to resign forr their infidelities while they tried to "get" Bill Clinton in the 90's...when Hillz wins in Nov the pubs will have been shot down by one of their own again. Maybe they should consider working with the dems instead of destroying themselves for a change.

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Post by kate520 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:40 am

His coy head twists and moues with that unnaturally tiny mouth make me wanna barf. I truly couldn't take four years of that ugly mug on TV day after day.
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kate520 wrote:His coy head twists and moues with that unnaturally tiny mouth make me wanna barf. I truly couldn't take four years of that ugly mug on TV day after day.
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I know it's odd, but I keep trying to figure out how he got that weird mouth pucker. Looking at pix and video of him when he was younger, his facial expressions seemed normal enough. Then I think of all kinds of wild CTs, like botched plastic surgery or injections? Maybe a neurological thing? Seriously, put your mouth in that position and try to talk. It's very awkward and uncomfortable.
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kate520 wrote:His coy head twists and moues with that unnaturally tiny mouth make me wanna barf. I truly couldn't take four years of that ugly mug on TV day after day.
I hadn't noticed the tiny mouth mouth thing... the Dalai Lama certainly has.

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Post by Estiveo » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:27 am

Any orifice that spews that much shit is bound to end up looking like an over worked anus.
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Estiveo wrote:Any orifice that spews that much shit is bound to end up looking like an over worked anus.
:yeah:

Many editorial cartoonists have depicted it as such. Very apt.
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Slim Cognito wrote:
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I know it's odd, but I keep trying to figure out how he got that weird mouth pucker. Looking at pix and video of him when he was younger, his facial expressions seemed normal enough. Then I think of all kinds of wild CTs, like botched plastic surgery or injections? Maybe a neurological thing? Seriously, put your mouth in that position and try to talk. It's very awkward and uncomfortable.
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As you may recall, I did some research on body language last winter, because I find tRumP's mannerisms so disturbing. Some body language guru somewhere spoke about the protruding lips and the exaggerated eye rolls, facial expressions, and violent hand movements. She referred to it as screaming in terms of body language (the way text in all caps is perceived as screaming). She said it was also a way of conveying aggression. It's one of myriad ways he sucks up all the oxygen in a room and draws attention to his loathsome self. And you're right, he didn't used to do it.
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p0rtia wrote:
Slim Cognito wrote:
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I know it's odd, but I keep trying to figure out how he got that weird mouth pucker. Looking at pix and video of him when he was younger, his facial expressions seemed normal enough. Then I think of all kinds of wild CTs, like botched plastic surgery or injections? Maybe a neurological thing? Seriously, put your mouth in that position and try to talk. It's very awkward and uncomfortable.
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As you may recall, I did some research on body language last winter, because I find tRumP's mannerisms so disturbing. Some body language guru somewhere spoke about the protruding lips and the exaggerated eye rolls, facial expressions, and violent hand movements. She referred to it as screaming in terms of body language (the way text in all caps is perceived as screaming). She said it was also a way of conveying aggression. It's one of myriad ways he sucks up all the oxygen in a room and draws attention to his loathsome self. And you're right, he didn't used to do it.
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Please forgive, I can't help it. D.L. Hughley had a comedy special where he talked about Cheeto. He said "Trump wants to know where Obama's birth certificate is" then Hughley says "I want to know why Trumps lips look like little light switches." :rotflmao:
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