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realist wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:50 pm
SLQ wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:47 pm
realist wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:42 pm

Well, that sucks.
Nah. He's making sure the record is complete.
Obviously not going to argue with you but I don't think that's necessary in this case. What's their appeal argument going to otherwise be, that the judge didn't let us convert to an injunction, just granted the MTD? Just sayin'. :lol: :bighug:
I was watching several of the live tweeters, which explained it differently, providing different context (not in order but self explanatory):
Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
· 18m
Judge Brann tells the plaintiffs that they need a new motion for an injunction since they have a such a different amended complaint.

"You should write this down. That's what lawyers do. They write things down."
Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
·
17m
Brann notes that plaintiffs want to file a second amended complaint.

They would have to file a motion requesting the right to file that, the judge notes.
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Replying to
@Popehat
[The judge is very clearly making a good record asking them to make their argument to amend the complaint so he can deny it based on a full record]

Rudy: could you just accept the amended complaint it's fine and it would be easier
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20m
Judge: have you filed a MOTION for leave to file a second amended complaint?
Plaintiffs: no
Judge: you need to file one. I'm not a betting man but I think they will oppose.
Defense: but don't let them amend!
Judge: Dude calm down I'm just saying they have to ask leave
LastThanksgivingHat
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23m
So schedule is opposition end of Wednesday, reply noon Thursday. Judge also suggests that technically plaintiffs need new motion for injunction since old one is mooted by amended complaint. Every indication he plans to rule swiftly.
LastThanksgivingHat
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24m
Judge: That's the end of my questions so let's discuss post-hearing matters. I will let plaintiffs file opposition to the motion to dismiss by end of tomorrow
Rudy: the what now
Judge: the brief in opposition to the motion to dismiss
Rudy: do we have leave to amend
Judge: . . .


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I vote for REALIST to be the Federal Judge here!

Make it happen, Foggy!

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Well, that sure was an interesting hearing!


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Turtle wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:57 pm Maybe The Kraken is angling for an appeal due to counsel being batshit crazy.
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Turtle wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:57 pm Maybe The Kraken is angling for an appeal due to counsel being batshit crazy.
Ineffective assistance of counsel is grounds for appeal in a criminal case, because there's no other remedy if your ass is in prison because your lawyer is drunk/incompetent/stupid. In civil cases, the remedy for having a crappy lawyer is to sue said crappy lawyer for legal malpractice.

Incidentally, I wonder if Rudy is carrying legal malpractice for this work. Most jurisdictions don't require it unless (like me) you have the sheer unmitigated gall to limit your liability by incorporating. Giuliani does not appear to be practicing under the aegis of an LLC or other corporate entity, so he may not be mandated to carry any, and boy howdy would it be stupid for him not to. Then again, the evidence for Rudy being an intelligent person is somewhat outweighed by the evidence to the contrary.

I can't wait until Trump sues him.


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SLQ wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:00 pm
LastThanksgivingHat
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Judge: have you filed a MOTION for leave to file a second amended complaint?
Plaintiffs: no
Judge: you need to file one. I'm not a betting man but I think they will oppose.
Defense: but don't let them amend!
Judge: Dude calm down I'm just saying they have to ask leave
In case it isn't obvious, Popehat is paraphrasing in his usual snarky way.


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chancery wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:07 pm
SLQ wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:00 pm
LastThanksgivingHat
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Judge: have you filed a MOTION for leave to file a second amended complaint?
Plaintiffs: no
Judge: you need to file one. I'm not a betting man but I think they will oppose.
Defense: but don't let them amend!
Judge: Dude calm down I'm just saying they have to ask leave
In case it isn't obvious, Popehat is paraphrasing in his usual snarky way.
It's obvi. :daydream: love Popehat. (IIAL, so I know a federal judge doesn't refer to an attorney as "dude.")

Edit: But these different live tweeters give context as to how it went down. The post above appears to indicate that Judge Brann just threw things things out there. He didn't.


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With all the PA hijinx only quickly looked at the Nevada lawsuit. WTF is that? Any NV folks or others have an opinion on that brilliance?


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SLQ wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:00 pm
realist wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:50 pm
SLQ wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:47 pm
Nah. He's making sure the record is complete.
Obviously not going to argue with you but I don't think that's necessary in this case. What's their appeal argument going to otherwise be, that the judge didn't let us convert to an injunction, just granted the MTD? Just sayin'. :lol: :bighug:
I was watching several of the live tweeters, which explained it differently, providing different context (not in order but self explanatory):
Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
· 18m
Judge Brann tells the plaintiffs that they need a new motion for an injunction since they have a such a different amended complaint.

"You should write this down. That's what lawyers do. They write things down."
Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
·
17m
Brann notes that plaintiffs want to file a second amended complaint.

They would have to file a motion requesting the right to file that, the judge notes.
LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
Replying to
@Popehat
[The judge is very clearly making a good record asking them to make their argument to amend the complaint so he can deny it based on a full record]

Rudy: could you just accept the amended complaint it's fine and it would be easier
LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
·
20m
Judge: have you filed a MOTION for leave to file a second amended complaint?
Plaintiffs: no
Judge: you need to file one. I'm not a betting man but I think they will oppose.
Defense: but don't let them amend!
Judge: Dude calm down I'm just saying they have to ask leave
LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
·
23m
So schedule is opposition end of Wednesday, reply noon Thursday. Judge also suggests that technically plaintiffs need new motion for injunction since old one is mooted by amended complaint. Every indication he plans to rule swiftly.
LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
·
24m
Judge: That's the end of my questions so let's discuss post-hearing matters. I will let plaintiffs file opposition to the motion to dismiss by end of tomorrow
Rudy: the what now
Judge: the brief in opposition to the motion to dismiss
Rudy: do we have leave to amend
Judge: . . .
Thanks. That certainly puts it in a new light.

Also shows (again) how incompetent Rudy is and yet another reason Kerns wants out. :lol:


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edit: The Detroit stuff is in the other thread. -->https://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 2#p1236452


And in Detroit.



edit: So I assume know someone is going to have to sue these clowns to get a Writ to make them certify the election??


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Longer more complete thread on Detroit BS.



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Popehat has just changed his name:
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The people of Detroit have no votes which Monica Palmer or the Republican Party are bound to respect.
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Should we be worried about Wayne Co. Board of Canvassers deadlocking 2-2? What happens next?


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SuzieC wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:30 pm Should we be worried about Wayne Co. Board of Canvassers deadlocking 2-2? What happens next?
Here .. https://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 2#p1236452


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Monica seems... shady?



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"You should write this down. That's what lawyers do. They write things down."
Ouch.


If Rudy wasn't such a wet brain, that would have left a bruise.


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Chilidog wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:59 pm
"You should write this down. That's what lawyers do. They write things down."
Ouch.


If Rudy wasn't such a wet brain, that would have left a bruise.
The judge actually said that to the women who was Rudy's co-counsel.


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Dan1100 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:05 pm
Chilidog wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:59 pm
"You should write this down. That's what lawyers do. They write things down."
Ouch.


If Rudy wasn't such a wet brain, that would have left a bruise.
The judge actually said that to the women who was Rudy's co-counsel.
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Wayne County again..

Guess they didn’t like the blowback




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GreatGrey wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:19 pm Wayne County again..

Guess they didn’t like the blowback


I imagine pressure came to bear when it was pointed out to them that the state canvassing board would just end up certifying it anyway & then charge the county for their fuckery.


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Detroit News: Wayne Co. canvassers certify election results after initial deadlock

The Wayne County Board of Canvassers abruptly changed course Tuesday night and certified the results of the Nov. 3 election after initially deadlocking 2-2 along party lines, which could have delayed the state process for authorizing results.

The deadlock decision was lauded by Republicans but decried by Democrats. During a public comment session, the vote was described as a targeted attack on majority-Black Detroit.

The change in course was approved by the two Republican and two Democratic canvassers with the demand that the Secretary of State's office conduct an audit of unbalanced absentee counting board results.

The decision came after absentee ballot poll books at 70% of Detroit's 134 absentee counting boards were found to be out of balance without explanation. The mismatches varied anywhere from one to more than four votes.


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GreatGrey wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:19 pm Wayne County again..

Guess they didn’t like the blowback


A reply on that:
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This was after Dana Nessel/AG filed emergency suit to force them to comply or face contempt charges
True? :confused:


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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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One thing I keep hearing from Rudy people tonight: they know they can't catch up. What they want -- in MI, PA, NV, other states -- is for the vote to *not* be certified. Their end game: try to force it to the House. Giuliani talking about this privately.


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Volkonski wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:47 pm :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Hannity says he heard Rudy Giuliani was “absolutely brilliant in his arguments today”
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