2020 Election Lawsuits

SlimSloSlider
Posts: 121
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:58 pm

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#326

Post by SlimSloSlider »

Sanctions?
Be about time.


User avatar
SLQ
Posts: 4419
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:33 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#327

Post by SLQ »

Volkonski wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:43 pm Zoe Tillman
@ZoeTillman
·
3m
Replying to
@ZoeTillman
Giuliani says he is "aggrieved" by opposing counsel saying the complaint doesn't include allegations about observer access, and repeats language in the complaint referring to it. But he doesn't engage with the fact that they cut the specific counts related to that issue

Giuliani argues that they've preserved the observer issue because the equal protection count (which specifically addresses the notice/cure issue) also has a line that says it incorporates everything else above in the complaint
And yet, Giuliani said earlier that he intends to (try to) amend the complaint to add that claim back in (that he just said is already there.)


"Try not. Do or do not. There is no try."
-- Yoda
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#328

Post by Volkonski »

LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
Replying to
@Popehat
Judge: Why should I consider claims now, on oral argument, when you made the decision to delete them in the amended complaint?
4:45 PM · Nov 17, 2020·Twitter Web App

Judge: You say you still allege fraud. Putting aside whether I think you do, how do you meet the heightened pleading standard for fraud:

Rudy: It does plead fraud. No it doesn't plead fraud. No it doesn't meet the heightened standard [incomprehensible meandering paraphrased]

Judge: If two of your plaintiffs complain they couldn't correct their ballots in their counties, why aren;'t you there suing those counties? Why are you suing THESE counties here?


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Res Ipsa
Posts: 2854
Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:31 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#329

Post by Res Ipsa »

This is one wild motion to dismiss hearing. I can't believe what Brann is letting them get away with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_W._Brann

Image


Thanks pal.
Somerset
Posts: 5023
Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:52 am
Location: Silicon Valley
Occupation: Lab rat

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#330

Post by Somerset »

Res Ipsa wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:49 pm This is one wild motion to dismiss hearing. I can't believe what Brann is letting them get away with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_W._Brann

Image
Which “them” are you referring to?


User avatar
tek
Posts: 5137
Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:02 pm
Location: Lake Humidity, FL
Occupation: Damned if I know

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#331

Post by tek »

I'm gonna assume the judge is making sure all the batshit crazy is in the record.


There's no way back
from there to here
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#332

Post by Volkonski »

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
·
2m
Replying to
@KlasfeldReports
Judge Brann:

"Why is Secretary Boockvar here?"

He notes that her actions have nothing to do with their clients' votes, but they sued her.


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Dan1100
Posts: 4033
Joined: Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:41 pm

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#333

Post by Dan1100 »

Paraphrased judge

"Is the campaigns claim derivative of the 2 individual claims?"

"What is the campaigns injury?"


User avatar
Orlylicious
Posts: 13668
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:02 pm
Location: @orly_licious With Pete Buttigieg and the other "open and defiant homosexuals" --Bryan Fischer AFA
Occupation: LDIT Supporters are "Shooketh"! -- Ali Akbar 11/29/20 #StuggersForBiden "Do Nothing Democrat Savage" -- Donald, 9/28/19 and "Scalawag...Part of an extreme, malicious leftist internet social mob working in concert with weaponized, socialized governments to target and injure political opponents.” -- Walt Fitzpatrick
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#334

Post by Orlylicious »

Agree Res, this is wild!


PA 2.JPG
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.


Avatar: LDIT's Court FAILS. Fogbow's Favourite TV Show™ starring titular Mama June returns 3/21. TVShowsAce featured Fogbow love 5/26/20: https://bit.ly/2TNxrbS[/b]
User avatar
Dan1100
Posts: 4033
Joined: Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:41 pm

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#335

Post by Dan1100 »

Paraphrase Judge:

"Why does the campaign have standing when the individual plaintiff's have the ability to do that on their own?"


Rudy- blah blah


User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#336

Post by Volkonski »

Zoe Tillman
@ZoeTillman
·
1m
Replying to
@ZoeTillman
Brann is asking why the individual voters who claimed their rights were violated b/c their county didn't give them a chance to cure their ballots pursue those claims. Kerns says skeptically that would involve individuals suing their county. Brann: "Well, yes."


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#337

Post by Volkonski »

LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
·
2m
Replying to
@Popehat
Judge: How does the campaign have a claim? isn't it derivative of the individual voter claims? Kerns: both
Judge: HOW? Kerns: campaign has an injury because certain votes were counted properly and certain won't [Note: this is not a particularized injury]


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Res Ipsa
Posts: 2854
Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:31 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#338

Post by Res Ipsa »

Somerset wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:51 pm
Which “them” are you referring to?
All of them.

I'm one of the listeners-in. The state's attorney of course is making sense, but 90% of what anyone has been talking about is not relevant to the motion to dismiss this complaint.


Thanks pal.
User avatar
Orlylicious
Posts: 13668
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:02 pm
Location: @orly_licious With Pete Buttigieg and the other "open and defiant homosexuals" --Bryan Fischer AFA
Occupation: LDIT Supporters are "Shooketh"! -- Ali Akbar 11/29/20 #StuggersForBiden "Do Nothing Democrat Savage" -- Donald, 9/28/19 and "Scalawag...Part of an extreme, malicious leftist internet social mob working in concert with weaponized, socialized governments to target and injure political opponents.” -- Walt Fitzpatrick
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#339

Post by Orlylicious »

They really, really missed out not having O Taitz on the team.

PA 3.JPG
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.


Avatar: LDIT's Court FAILS. Fogbow's Favourite TV Show™ starring titular Mama June returns 3/21. TVShowsAce featured Fogbow love 5/26/20: https://bit.ly/2TNxrbS[/b]
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#340

Post by Volkonski »

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
·
43s
Replying to
@KlasfeldReports
Q: What is the injury?

Kerns, Trump camp atty: Of the voters or the campaign?

Q: The campaign.

Kerns alleges that if everyone had a chance to cure defective ballots, the results could have been "very, very different."

(Note: They wouldn't.)


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Chilidog
Posts: 11869
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:36 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#341

Post by Chilidog »

So.

Is Rudy going to get drunk in his hotel room by himself tonight?


User avatar
tek
Posts: 5137
Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:02 pm
Location: Lake Humidity, FL
Occupation: Damned if I know

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#342

Post by tek »

Chilidog wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 pm So.

Is Rudy going to get drunk in his hotel room by himself tonight?
He'll always have his shirt-tails


There's no way back
from there to here
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#343

Post by Volkonski »

Zoe Tillman
@ZoeTillman
·
1m
Replying to
@ZoeTillman
Brann is asking why the Trump campaign has standing when there are voters in the case who are capable of trying to vindicate their own rights. Giuliani tries to connect the fact that the counties that permitted ballot curing (a la Philly) are also Democratic-leaning


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#344

Post by Volkonski »

LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
·
6m
Judge: Why does the campaign have standing to pursue individual voters' rights when they are willing and able to sue on their own? Rudy: incoherent non-response. Just totally fucking incoherent and non-responsive.

I genuinely got the sense that Rudy didn't understand the legal concept being addressed as opposed to not having a good response which he didn't.

Rudy is stammering and being colloquial and meandering and really losing any ground he ever gained.

Judge: is there ANY precedent from THIS circuit supporting your standing argument


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
SLQ
Posts: 4419
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:33 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#345

Post by SLQ »

Volkonski wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:02 pm Zoe Tillman
@ZoeTillman
·
1m
Replying to
@ZoeTillman
Brann is asking why the Trump campaign has standing when there are voters in the case who are capable of trying to vindicate their own rights. Giuliani tries to connect the fact that the counties that permitted ballot curing (a la Philly) are also Democratic-leaning
Ah. The "evil libruls" cause of action. :crazy:


"Try not. Do or do not. There is no try."
-- Yoda
User avatar
Dan1100
Posts: 4033
Joined: Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:41 pm

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#346

Post by Dan1100 »

"What standard am I supposed to apply?"

"Should I apply strict scrutiny?"

Rudy doesn't understand the question.

"How does making someone else's ability to vote easier burden your clients?"

Rudy- blah blah


User avatar
neonzx
Posts: 10924
Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#347

Post by neonzx »

Gabriel Malor
@gabrielmalor
LOL, defense counsel googled that case that plaintiffs offered and points out that it doesn't have anything to do with standing.

Judge says "yeah, we didn't find it either."

:rotflmao:


User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#348

Post by Volkonski »

Meanwhile in Nevada-
Justin Miller
@justinjm1
·
2m
The nuclear option gets wheeled into view: Trump's Nevada electors sue to have him declared the winner of a state that he lost, or else the presidential race's results should be annulled https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-fil ... -doc-2.pdf


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#349

Post by Volkonski »

LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
·
5m
Donnovan swoops back in for the defendants to say that he pulled the case that Rudy and co-counsel cited and it doesn't say jack shit about what they claim it says.


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 34000
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#350

Post by Volkonski »

LastThanksgivingHat
@Popehat
·
1m
The judge is audibly skeptical and somewhat incredulous.

Judge: if I conclude that rational basis review is appropriate (that is, state needs only a rational basis for different cure standards), isn't that satisfied?


Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
Post Reply

Return to “Litigation to Overturn the Vote”