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Defense is now citing cases for the proposition that alleged violations of STATE elections law -- even by state actors, let alone by unidentified randos -- do not rise to the level of federal constitutional violations federal courts can hear.


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Donovan is back up, fighting against Giuliani's arguments of equal protection violations. He cites another federal case in Pa on dropboxes, where a judge rejected equal protection claims.

He also cites other court rulings, at the Fifth Circuit and in Nevada, that found that one county making it easier for people to vote doesn't dilute the votes of people in other counties.


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Well it looks like SOMEBODY did their homework, and SOMEBODY laid around in their hotel room "tucking in their shirt"...


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New defense lawyer argues abstention issues. This lawyer is remote rather than in the courtroom.

What's abstention? It's a doctrine that says federal courts should stay out of certain state disputes. There are different types of abstention, each with tedious names.


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Another atty for SOS Boockvar, Mark Aronchick, just quoted Saylor's dissent from PA Supreme Court ruling where he said ballots shouldn't be thrown out even if observers were mistreated
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Aronchick says the pictures that Giuliani is "waving around" today are "irrelevant" because of the Supreme Court's opinion, which he says he does not believe Giuliani read.


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Aronchick says there Giuliani is turning the equal protection clause "upside down," arguing that making ballot-access easier violates their rights.

If some counties do a poorer judge of ballot-access, Aronchick says: "We don't race to the bottom now."


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There are still audio issues, but FANTASY WORLD came through clearly! :lol:
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Aronchick says that Giuliani's arguments aren't about a case that is actually before the court right now, given what they removed from the amended complaint, and that he's in a "fantasy world"
Our old pal STANDING is getting a lot of love :lovestruck:

From the end of a story Josh posted:
Trump campaign deploys Giuliani to assist flailing legal effort
The former New York mayor appeared in court in Pennsylvania, falsely arguing “widespread, nationwide voter fraud.”
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Brann is an appointee of President Barack Obama, but was selected by Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.). The judge was courteous to Giuliani, referring to him as “Mayor,” but did not pepper him or Donovan with questions during the first part of the hearing.

After a little more than an hour, the session was interrupted because of the failure of phone lines the court had set up for the media and the public to listen in.

The hearing in this city of about 28,000 residents, about an hour and a half drive north of the capital, Harrisburg, drew a raucous crowd of Trump supporters, who chanted, prayed and sang before and during the court session. Cries of “Stop the steal!” ”Dead people can’t vote!” and “Four more years!” went on for hours, occasionally punctuated by honking horns from passersby in this solidly red county, where voters went for Trump over Biden, 70 percent to 29 percent.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/1 ... sed-437066

Keep praying, Trumpers.


Nice photo of Rudy :lol:




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Aronchick calls Giuliani's rant unbecoming of a U.S. federal courtroom.


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Reading all of this, I just have to say that it makes me feel like tucking in my shirt.


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Aronchick has grown heated during his arguments in addressing Giuliani and the campaign's claims: "This just is disgraceful"


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The lawyer is now much more effectively eviscerating paragraphs in the latest amended complaint, but still too angry to be really effective for my taste.


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(Also I was mistaken earlier - Aronchick is repping the PA county election boards that are named as defendants, not the PA SoS, but they're all on the same side of this)


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Rudy isn't getting the love and respect he was probably expecting... except outside.

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Hearing back underway now as Trump crowd outside sings Battle Hymn of the Republic
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Fun to finally be on a conference call with basically every lawyer and reporter I've ever met.
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Aronchik makes fun of Rudy's claim that he remembers something about standing from law school "But he doesn't remember how standing is applied in the actual cases."
3:18 PM · Nov 17, 2020·Twitter Web App

Aronchik is standing for all of us laughing at Rudy's insane claims. "This is disgraceful" Aronchik says.

I see there's some discussion about whether Aronchik is being too harsh on Rudy. It's harsh, but I don't think it crosses a line. Someone has to say on that side this is crazy.

Lawyers have different styles. And some righteous anger sometimes is important. I don't have a beef with it.

You also have to remember: I'm told this is a very prominent local lawyer. He likely knows the judge and knows how far to go.

I've no inside info. But that is a thing.


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This is like lawyer Porn.


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Aronchick says Giuliani has no way of knowing the ballots that they say are at issue would swing the results for Trump. He gets worked up again, saying Giuliani's suggestion that more than 1M ballots should be tossed is "disgraceful"


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“We would have won if you hadn’t counted all the votes for the other guy!”

Can I just go into hibernation until sanity is inaugurated?


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Aronchick notes that the number of votes at issue in the amended complaint would have no bearing on the contest.


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While I have tons of respect for Ken White, and while it is important not to step over the line in court, I tend to agree with Melkonian here. My personal style involves bringing a controlled amount of righteous anger to the courtroom when called for. If the other side is doing something ridiculous and unconscionable, I'm going to say so, and I'm going to say so without mincing words. Partly that's because I occasionally practice in front of judges who are a bit thick and don't tend to recognize subtler approaches, and partly it's because my personality (as some of you might possibly have noticed) has been known to tend towards irascibility from time to time, and sometimes I just can't help myself.


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Might be in the word “fierce”?


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And the judge asks Aronchick ("with no disrespect") to try moving around less because his connection is breaking up. the judge notes that he is sitting "quite still," and suggests the lawyer could "model" that behavior.


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Aronchick: "Dismiss this case, please, dismiss this case"


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Aronchick to Judge Brann: "Dismiss this case, please, so we can move on."

He notes that the case hast turned "for some reason" into some sort of "lifeline" for the Trump campaign.

"We need to move on. We need to get this election certified."


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10 minute break until 4:55pm ET. It's still hard to hear some of it but it's fireworks and tons of fun.


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And a 10 minute recess.

I was afraid Aroncheck (sp) was going to stroke out for a minute there.


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