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Lani wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:54 pm Our schools reopen (sort of) 8/4. There is a hotline for concerned parents.

Classes will be provided on site and remotely. Staff and students with health concerns/higher risk will participate remotely. Children who didn't do well with remote classes and/or have special needs have priority for attending on site. If all goes well, all students will be able to participate with a combination of remote and on site classes, thus keeping down the number of students on campus. Assuming no outbreaks, over time all students will be shifted back in the schools. Basically, there are 4 stages to reach a fully open school. Sounds like a good plan.
The next county north of us is full steam ahead with regular school, 5 days a week, and they will "look at" distance learning if necessary.
This announcement came on the same day the gov issued a mask mandate and extremely strict (10 people inside, 20 outside) rules for 13 counties, including that one.
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Kendra wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:49 pm
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Trump, arguing for schools to reopen: "Those at lower risk, such as young and healthy— children, in many cases, the immune system is so powerful, so strong."

Of note: Teachers, administrative staff, aides, and maintenance crews work in schools and might not be young or healthy.
1:30 PM · Jul 9, 2020
While I have not checked the numbers, I am seeing a post floating around pointing out that given the US student population and low (but non-zero) mortality rate among the under 18 crowd, it is still potentially 10s of thousands of children too.
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If this is here, I'm sorry...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-openings-across-globe-suggest-ways-keep-coronavirus-bay-despite-outbreaks
Early this spring, school gates around the world slammed shut. By early April, an astonishing 1.5 billion young people were staying home as part of broader shutdowns to protect people from the novel coronavirus. The drastic measures worked in many places, dramatically slowing the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

However, as weeks turned into months, pediatricians and educators began to voice concern that school closures were doing more harm than good, especially as evidence mounted that children rarely develop severe symptoms from COVID-19. (An inflammatory condition first recognized in April, which seems to follow infection in some children, appears uncommon and generally treatable, although scientists continue to study the virus’ effect on youngsters.)

Continued closures risk “scarring the life chances of a generation of young people,” according to an open letter published this month and signed by more than 1500 members of the United Kingdom’s Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health (RCPCH). Virtual education is often a pale shadow of the real thing and left many parents juggling jobs and childcare. Lower-income children who depend on school meals were going hungry. And there were hints that children were suffering increased abuse, now that school staff could no longer spot and report early signs of it. It was time, a growing chorus said, to bring children back to school.

By early June, more than 20 countries had done just that. (Some others, including Taiwan, Nicaragua, and Sweden, never closed their schools.) It was a vast, uncontrolled experiment.

Some schools imposed strict limits on contact between children, while others let them play freely. Some required masks, while others made them optional. Some closed temporarily if just one student was diagnosed with COVID-19; others stayed open even when multiple children or staff were affected, sending only ill people and direct contacts into quarantine.
Data about the outcomes are scarce. “I just find it so frustrating,” says Kathryn Edwards, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine who is advising the Nashville school system, which serves more than 86,000 students, on how to reopen. Her research assistant spent 30 hours hunting for data—for example on whether younger students are less adept at spreading the virus than older ones, and whether outbreaks followed reopenings—and found little that addressed the risk of contagion in schools.

When Science looked at reopening strategies from South Africa to Finland to Israel, some encouraging patterns emerged. Together, they suggest a combination of keeping student groups small and requiring masks and some social distancing helps keep schools and communities safe, and that younger children rarely spread the virus to one another or bring it home.

“Outbreaks in schools are inevitable,” says Otto Helve, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare. “But there is good news.” So far, with some changes to schools’ daily routines, he says, the benefits of attending school seem to outweigh the risks—at least where community infection rates are low and officials are standing by to identify and isolate cases and close contacts.

How likely are children to catch and transmit the virus?
Several studies have found that overall, people under age 18 are between one-third and one-half as likely as adults to contract the virus, and the risk appears lowest for the youngest children. The reason remains the subject of intense study. But the town of Crépy-en-Valois, home to 15,000 people on the northern outskirts of Paris, provides some confirmation that younger age reduces risk of infection—and transmission.

When two high school teachers developed minor respiratory symptoms in early February, no one suspected COVID-19. It was cold and flu season, and health officials still assumed the novel coronavirus was mostly confined to China. It wasn’t until 25 February, after one of their contacts was hospitalized in Paris, that the teachers realized they had been infected with SARS-CoV-2. For at least 12 days before the start of winter break on 14 February, and before France instituted precautionary measures, the virus had been spreading freely at the school.

Arnaud Fontanet, an epidemiologist at the Pasteur Institute, and his colleagues started an investigation in Crépy-en-Valois in late March to see whether they could piece together the virus’ reach in the town and its schools. In the high school, antibody testing showed that 38% of pupils, 43% of teachers, and 59% of nonteaching staff had been infected. (By then, several people associated with the school had been hospitalized with COVID-19 complications.) In six elementary schools, they found a total of three children who had caught the virus, likely from family members, and then attended school while infected. But, as far as the researchers could tell, those younger children didn’t pass the virus on to any close contacts.
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Dallas Independent School District Superintendent Michael Hinojosa: "I'm starting to have second thoughts" about being able to open schools Aug. 17 due to coronavirus, and "I seriously doubt" there will be high school football in Texas this fall.

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Well, after I wrote about the Hawaii schools, DOE has quietly changed its plans today, based on the AAP advice about schools. The desks can be placed 3 feet apart if the kids are side by side facing the front of the room, masks not required. School employees and parents are livid.
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He's at it again,

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 1972692994
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Now that we have witnessed it on a large scale basis, and firsthand, Virtual Learning has proven to be TERRIBLE compared to In School, or On Campus, Learning. Not even close! Schools must be open in the Fall. If not open, why would the Federal Government give Funding? It won’t!!!
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New York Times - Michelle Goldberg: Trump Threatens to Turn Pandemic Schooling Into a Culture War

The president might sabotage parents’ best hopes for getting their kids back to school.


Two weeks ago, I asked Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, what a functioning Department of Education would be doing to prepare the country to reopen schools in the fall.

“A functioning Department of Education would have been getting groups of superintendents and principals and unions and others together from the middle of March,” she told me. It would have created a clearinghouse of best practices for maintaining grab-and-go lunch programs and online education. By mid-April it would have convened experts to figure out how to reopen schools safely, and offered grants to schools trying different models.

“None of that has happened,” said Weingarten. “Zero.”

Instead, Donald Trump has approached the extraordinarily complex challenge of educating children during a pandemic just as he’s approached most other matters of governing: with bullying, bluster and propaganda.
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NPR: Nation's Pediatricians Walk Back Support For In-Person School
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A real possibility is that schools open - but parents refuse to send their kids.

All those Trumpers bleating for school reopening --- are they sending their kids to school ?? Is Baron Trump going to a reopened school?
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Fortinbras wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:02 pm A real possibility is that schools open - but parents refuse to send their kids.

All those Trumpers bleating for school reopening --- are they sending their kids to school ?? Is Baron Trump going to a reopened school?
I looked at Baron's school. They are planning a blended teaching approach. All classrooms will be Zoom enabled so students who can't come (or parents don't want them in school) can participate in their classes. It's a small school (<900 Pre-K through 12) and they have the money to do it.

I think our district is going to fall-back on their original ideas -- staggered attendance at school so that no more than 50% of the students are physically in school on any given day. Likewise, the buses will be at 50% to accommodate distancing along with mandatory face masks. The virtual learning days will be remote. The district provides Chromebooks and High Speed internet to families that can't afford these items. Likewise, all students in the district get free breakfast and lunches ... days of virtual at home learning they will be able to do the grab-n-go bags for their meals. (they've been doing that all summer, too).

This, of course, doesn't deal with child care issues for younger students and their parents who can't work from home. Another challenge. I don't know an answer for that.

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The college football season is in trouble

Adam Kilgore
July 11, 2020 at 3:36 a.m. GMT+2

The college football season, a rite of autumn and a revered American institution uninterrupted for 150 years, veered this week toward a grim fate as the novel coronavirus continued to surge.

When the spread of the virus put virtually all sports on hold in March, many major college football leaders viewed the prospect of playing this fall, perhaps even in full stadiums, through an optimistic lens. They had time and a financial imperative: The entire collegiate athletic system depends on the revenue generated by the sport’s lucrative television rights deals and ticket sales filling enormous on-campus stadiums.

Those hopes, which began to dissipate amid a flurry of positive tests as players returned to campuses for voluntary workouts, might be vanishing after a week of ominous signs and dire indications. On Wednesday, the Ivy League declared it would suspend all sports in the fall, a warning sign that gained resonance Thursday, when the Big Ten announced it will play only conference games in 2020. Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren acknowledged the move may be incremental in the eventual cancellation of the season for the conference of tradition-steeped programs such as Ohio State and Michigan.

“We may not have college sports in the fall,” Warren said Thursday in an interview on the Big Ten Network. “We may not have a college football season in the Big Ten.”

On Friday, the Pac-12 followed suit, announcing fall sports would be conference-only and pushing back the start of mandatory athletic activities “until a series of health and safety indicators, which have recently trended in a negative direction, provided sufficient positive data to enable a move to a second phase of return-to-play activities,” the conference said in a news release.

The Pac-12’s decision “doesn’t mean there’s [definitely] going to be football in the fall,” Oregon State Athletic Director Scott Barnes told Portland television station KOIN. Adding to the sense of dread, the Pac-12 announced later Friday that Commissioner Larry Scott, 55, had tested positive for the coronavirus.

Other conference leaders and campus representatives soon will face the same wrenching considerations, and many have scheduled meetings to arrive at high-stakes decisions. A season without college football would have grave financial consequences. Athletic departments already have felt the financial squeeze of the coronavirus, evidenced this week by Stanford, one of the nation’s most decorated athletic departments, cutting 11 varsity sports. The loss of football revenue would exacerbate a problem that began with the cancellation of the lucrative NCAA men’s basketball tournament in March.


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KSDE recommendations- It won't work- what a f'n joke.


Here is the text: TOPEKA
COVID-19 precautions may alter nearly every aspect of life for Kansas schoolchildren, according to draft safety guidelines from the Kansas State Department of Education, obtained by The Kansas City Star and The Wichita Eagle.
The recommendations, provided to district superintendents this week, say students, teachers and staff should wear masks, but that students up to fifth or sixth grade shouldn’t be required to wear them unless local officials mandate it.
Everyone should wash their hands after arriving at school and then repeat once an hour. Extra furniture should be removed from classrooms to maximize social distancing and students should use the restroom during instructional time to cut down on hallway interactions.
Students should have assigned seats on buses and members of the same household should sit together. Windows should be open when possible and routes should minimize the time students spend on buses.
In the event of a COVID-19 case, school officials may close buildings for several days, or section off rooms where the infected individual studies or works for thorough cleanings. In communities with moderate to high levels of restrictions, districts should consider staggered attendance, with groups of students taking turns receiving in-person instruction.
Education officials are expected to formally present the guidance to the State Board of Education next week. But KSDE provided a draft to superintendents on Thursday and the document quickly began to circulate within the educational community.
The agency declined to discuss the document on Friday afternoon.
“There have been several things that have been altered since that draft was released and we expect to receive additional changes right up to the board meeting. It would be irresponsible for me to comment on any portion of a document that is still in flux,” KSDE spokeswoman Denise Kahler said in an email.
The guidance is voluntary. Local districts, along with local health officials, will ultimately decide what changes to make.
As the coronavirus tightened its grip on Kansas this spring, nearly half a million K-12 students were abruptly sent home for the rest of the school year, sending teachers scrambling to find ways to remotely provide some semblance of learning.
“I’m quite certain that whatever the local school boards will choose to adopt will not be business as usual,” Lee Norman, the state health officer, said Wednesday.
Some districts have already begun public discussions about how they plan to reopen. The Shawnee Mission school district on Wednesday published a draft of its reopening plan, and asked the community for feedback.
The district is considering three scenarios when it reopens schools on Aug. 17: Students returning to in-person classes, students staying home and learning online, or a mix of the two.
The plan highlights the difficulties of requiring students to social distance while maximizing in-person classroom time. If the majority of students return to class, district officials wrote that social distancing cannot be guaranteed. At least half of students would need to learn from home in order to ensure safety measures are adequately followed.
Other districts have been waiting to receive the statewide guidelines before announcing their own plans. But many have said they will give parents options during enrollment. Both the Olathe and Blue Valley districts, which start the school year on Aug. 13, will allow parents to choose whether to send their students back to the classroom or stick with virtual learning.
“This year will be the most unique school year in history,” Olathe Superintendent John Allison said in a statement. “But our attitudes and resolve will help bring a sense of calm to our students. Together, we’ll make this work.”
This is a developing story and will be updated.
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As an environmental, health and safety consultant for CPS, I can tell you that one of the major issues that we are dealing with as they work towards reopening is water quality. The schools have all never been shut down this long at the same time before.

The building engineers have enough to do without having to mess with flushing out the entire plumbing system as well.
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neonzx wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:48 pm
Fortinbras wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:02 pm A real possibility is that schools open - but parents refuse to send their kids.



This, of course, doesn't deal with child care issues for younger students and their parents who can't work from home. Another challenge. I don't know an answer for that.

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What I don't hear too much about is how parents are supposed to deal with an on-again-off again schedule. There will be some parents who absolutely cannot do this. My daughter and her husband have been home from work since March. She's an architect; he's in charge of research for a large national union. They have been able to work from home, but there are certain to be limits there, too. Many parents won't be able to cope with the kind of schedules they are talking about.

We have done everything we can to help, given the isolation we've dealt with here since March. But if the grandkids go back to school, we probably can't help with babysitting with kids who are on some basis out with other kids all the time. We have dabbled with being out more and have had the kids over several times for weekends since stay-at-home orders ended, but it's still recommended. We are both high risk, so we will have to weigh our options carefully.

My SIL's mother is high-risk. She has not left her condo since the initial stay-at-home order in early March. My SIL does her shopping, and he takes the kids over to social distance with masks occasionally since things loosened up. I will have to say I would go crazy if I tried that.
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Politico: Trump's campaign to open schools provokes mounting backlash even from GOP

An overwhelming alignment of local, state and even Republican-aligned organizations oppose the rush to reopen schools and colleges.
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Addie wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:16 pm
Politico: Trump's campaign to open schools provokes mounting backlash even from GOP

An overwhelming alignment of local, state and even Republican-aligned organizations oppose the rush to reopen schools and colleges.
Elsie Arntzen, the Republican superintendent of public instruction in Montana, said in an interview on Friday that she supported the Trump administration’s approach. She said that she didn’t view Trump’s comments about school funding as a threat to take away money.

“For a president to say that schools are connected to the economy, I embrace that,” she said. “I believe that we need to have our state open and it needs to be done very safely.”

Arntzen said she believes in local control of schools and would support a local superintendent's decision to either close or reopen classrooms. But she praised the Trump administration’s focus on reopening physical school buildings as a way to return to normalcy.

“Having schools come back to a more traditional model, a sense of normalcy, is going to reduce the panic and allow Montanans to function and allow Montana families to be able to supply an income for our children and for our children's future,” she said. “I’m all in.”
Montana. :roll:
Population just a bit over 1 million for the entire state. 18 and under, about 230,000 for the entire state.
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Yeah, of course they can speak to what's best for the nation on challenges of reopening schools. :roll:
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The only reason to rush to reopen schools is to delude voters that there’s nothing to see here, never mind those refrigerated morgue trucks.
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New York Times: As Trump Demanded Schools Reopen, His Experts Warned of ‘Highest Risk’

A briefing packet for federal emergency response teams details the steps schools should take to reopen safely.
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Looks like De Voss is the sacrificial lamb on at least two Sunday talk shows :violin:
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Somewhere above, there are posts about the AAP recommending opening schools, and Trump and his trumpers have threatened states that don't fully reopen schools this Fall.
The American Academy of Pediatrics once again plunged into the growing debate over school reopening with a strong new statement Friday, making clear that while in-person school provides crucial benefits to children, "Public health agencies must make recommendations based on evidence, not politics." The statement also said that "science and community circumstances must guide decision-making."

The AAP is changing tone from the guidance it issued just over two weeks ago. Then, the organization made a national splash by recommending that education leaders and policymakers "should start with a goal of having students physically present in school."

The Trump administration this week repeatedly cited the AAP in pressuring school leaders to reopen. Dr. Sally Goza, the association's president, appeared at a White House roundtable with President Trump. She later told Morning Edition's David Greene that local coronavirus infection rates and hot spots have to be taken into consideration to safely reopen schools.

The previous guidance was criticized for saying little about the safety of educators and other school personnel. Friday's statement, cosigned by the two national teacher unions and AASA, the School Superintendents Association, calls for putting educators as well as other stakeholders at the center of decision-making. It emphasized that reopening safely will take more money: "We call on Congress and the administration to provide the federal resources needed to ensure that inadequate funding does not stand in the way of safely educating and caring for children in our schools.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... son-school

Those pushing the original AAP statement as saying that that schools should now fully reopen seem to have missed the part that education and public officials "should start with a goal of having students physically present in school." Plan for the time when all students can return to school, not rush to reopen.
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Addie wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:26 pm
New York Times: As Trump Demanded Schools Reopen, His Experts Warned of ‘Highest Risk’

A briefing packet for federal emergency response teams details the steps schools should take to reopen safely.
A "69-page document"
That's definitely the way to get the President's attention.
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WaPo: Reopened schools in Europe and Asia have largely avoided coronavirus outbreaks. They have lessons for the U.S. ...

Still, public health officials and researchers caution that most school reopenings are in their early stages. Much remains unknown about the interaction between children, schools and the virus. Schools have only reopened in countries where the virus is under better control than in many parts of the United States. And parents and teachers, especially in Europe, have been vocal about their concerns. It is premature to say, as President Trump put it this past week, that “In Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and many other countries, SCHOOLS ARE OPEN WITH NO PROBLEMS.”

While documented cases of younger students transmitting the virus to their classmates or to adults so far appear rare, there is enduring worry about the susceptibility of teens, college-age students and their teachers. And, especially in communities where the virus is still circulating widely, elaborate and expensive measures may be necessary to avoid shutting down entire schools each time a student tests positive.

Arnaud Fontanet, head of the Epidemiology of Emerging Diseases unit at the Institut Pasteur in Paris, said he “gladly” sent his four teenagers back when French schools reopened on a voluntary basis in mid-May. But he emphasized that was only because “the virus is not too much circulating in France.”

“High schoolers are still contagious and primary school students are less contagious but not zero-risk,” he said.

Public health officials and researchers say they have not detected much coronavirus transmission among students or significant spikes in community spread as a result of schools being in session — at least for students under 12.

Virologists warn there may be additional spread that hasn’t been recognized, since testing asymptomatic people, particularly children, remains uncommon. But in many cases, young children who test positive have gotten it from someone in their family and do not appear to have infected others in school. Dig into reports of two or three elementary students with the virus, and often it turns out they’re siblings.
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Victoria, Australia, just started a new six-week lockdown. No schools open. Previously, 2 primary schools and a college (high school) closed due to Covid19. The latter is now the largest cluster in the state.

There have been other schools in the country that have had staff or children with the virus. More staff than children have tested positive, and it appears covid was usually contracted outside of school in most schools. Not that it makes a difference - staff or kids will bring it to school.

It bothers me that our government is looking primarily at the reduced risk for young children and ignore the danger to school staff.
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Sugar Magnolia wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:04 pm
This announcement came on the same day the gov issued a mask mandate and extremely strict (10 people inside, 20 outside) rules for 13 counties, including that one.
Sugar, does MS have a crowd-size exemption for churches, temples, mosques, etc,? A few states have this exemption, which seems insane to me. (But then, I am not known for my spirituality.)
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