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Starting a separate topic from "Opening up is hard to do" because I believe this topic is going to be a mess for us as we come to the new school year.

Trump World on Reopening Schools During COVID: Astronauts Take Risks, Too

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-wor ... o?ref=home
On a call with the nation’s governors Tuesday, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos chastised local officials for doing “next to nothing” to provide academic services to students and demanded they reopen schools in the fall regardless of the state of the COVID pandemic.

The issue, DeVos stressed at one point, was merely a matter of calculated risk, nothing all that different from those taken by an astronaut heading into space.

“Education leaders really do need to examine real data and weigh risk,” DeVos said. “They already deal with risk on a daily basis. We know that risk is embedded in everything we do. Learning to ride a bike, to the risk of getting in a space capsule and getting shot off in a rocket into space.”

The remarks by DeVos were part of a larger push on Tuesday by top Trump officials to make the case for school reopenings amid growing health concerns by doctors, scientists and state and local officials. But they also resembled something larger about the president’s approach to a virus that has crippled the country and, in turn, his presidency. Months into the pandemic, the administration has settled into a phase of acceptance even as the coronavirus continues to infect thousands of people each day and overwhelm hospitals in the south and southwestern parts of the country. :snippity:
Yes, sending the students back to school is just like putting them in a space capsule or learning to ride a bike. :brickwallsmall:
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Yes, it will be a mess because twitler will make it a mess.

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CNBC: New York Gov. Cuomo blasts Trump on school reopenings: ‘It’s not up to the president’


New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo blasted President Donald Trump on Wednesday for pressuring state officials to reopen schools this fall, saying the federal government doesn’t have any authority over the matter.

“School reopenings are a state decision. Period. That is the law, and that is the way we’re going to proceed. It’s not up to the president of the United States,” Cuomo said during a news briefing in Albany. “The president does not have any authority to open schools. We will open the schools if it is safe to open the schools. Everybody wants the schools open.”

On Tuesday, Trump — joined by first lady Melania Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and second lady Karen Pence at the White House — said he would pressure states to reopen schools this fall. Although dozens of states are struggling to contain a resurgence in Covid-19 cases, the president called for schools to open in August and September.

Trump ramped up his campaign earlier Wednesday, threatening to withhold federal funding from schools that don’t resume in-person classes this fall.

Meanwhile, Cuomo said he will announce the state’s decision on whether schools will open in August after thoroughly reviewing public health data and reopening plans from local school districts. ...

“The test that I bring to all of these things, day camps, overnight camps, is my child test. I am not going to ask anyone to put their child in a situation that I would not put my child, and that’s how I make these decisions,” he said. “If it’s not safe for my child, it’s not safe for your child. So we’ll get that data and we’ll make that decision in August.”
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New York Times: Trump Threatens to Cut Funding if Schools Do Not Fully Reopen

Disregarding the advice of his own health experts, President Trump also attacked the C.D.C.’s reopening guidelines as onerous and expensive.
Adding:
NPR - Fact Check: Trump Blasts 'Expensive' CDC Guidelines For Reopening Schools
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Send then all back to school. The really bad outbreaks should hit just before the election. That'll leave a mark on his campaign.
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Sugar Magnolia wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:45 pm Send then all back to school. The really bad outbreaks should hit just before the election. That'll leave a mark on his campaign.
Well, it seems like it took about a month for Memorial Day weekend to take off and spread, I expect the first couple of weeks of August we'll see the effects of the 4th weekend. Just in time for schools to make their final decisions on opening.

Schools aren't opening in the fall...about 20% of our teachers are in the high-risk group (over 55) and we the people are showing that we haven't yet learned that with freedom comes responsibility.
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Will Barron and all of IMPOTUS’s grandchidren be going back to school? Does he ever think of them or is it only of himself?*
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*rhetorical, of course
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Addie wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:11 pm
New York Times: Trump Threatens to Cut Funding if Schools Do Not Fully Reopen

Disregarding the advice of his own health experts, President Trump also attacked the C.D.C.’s reopening guidelines as onerous and expensive.
Adding:
NPR - Fact Check: Trump Blasts 'Expensive' CDC Guidelines For Reopening Schools
The major use of federal funding in k-12 is for programs for economically disadvantaged students and for programs for students with disabilities.

Trump is holding poor kids and disabled kids hostage.
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Both our daughters are public school teachers. :?
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/politics ... index.html
Trump's newest allergy to professional opinion comes directly on the heels of him encouraging states to open up before meeting the CDC's earlier guidelines.

They did, and now Covid is re-raging in the US. Will states again follow his lead and reopen schools before the virus is under control? Potentially of interest to parents: A summer camp in Arkansas closed down Wednesday after an outbreak of Covid among campers.

What's most striking about Trump's insistence that everything is fine, despite the resurgence of cases, is that it's hitting states that voted for him.

Look at the chart below of Covid case spikes tracked against 2016 results:
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A summer camp? I thought kids couldn't get this virus. :liar:

Arkansas summer camp closes after campers, staffers test positive for virus
https://katv.com/news/local/arkansas-su ... -for-virus
LITTLE ROCK (KATV) — A large Christian summer camp in Arkansas has closed after several campers and staffers tested positive for the coronavirus, state officials said Wednesday.

Camp Ozark in Mount Ida had been open since late May. Arkansas Secretary of Health Dr. Nate Smith said the camp had been operating under health measures it developed with the state Department of Health. But after the positive tests, according to Smith, the camp decided to shut down.

Smith did not specify how many campers and staffers tested positive.

The camp, which more than 7,000 children reportedly attend each year, had not returned a request seeking comment Wednesday afternoon.

The camp had been screening campers for illness and operating under more strict sanitation measures this summer, according to its website. But numerous photos posted on the camp's Facebook page show other measures, such as social distancing, may not have been observed. The photos show campers and staffers in close proximity, sometimes hugging each other, and not wearing protective masks.
I think school districts need to stand-up to Trump on his reopening demands!
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Syracuse.com: At least 16 sick after coronavirus exposure at DeWitt (Syracuse, NY) in-home day care


DeWitt, N.Y. — At least 16 children and adults have come down with the coronavirus after it spread from contact at a DeWitt family in-home child care.

The cluster of the coronavirus cases has made people in four families sick, including six children at the child care, one sibling, seven parents and two grandmothers, according to Heidi Feathers, who operates the licensed in-home child care with two other parents.

The cases go back to a mom who didn’t quarantine as she waited to learn if she had the virus. For three days she brought her child to the child care, Feathers said. It turned out the child was asymptomatic and both the child and mom have since tested positive for the virus, she said.

“I’m so frustrated that she didn’t tell me, and she didn’t stay home,‘' said Feathers, who had a fever and was sick for eight days. “People need to take this seriously, and stay home if they are sick at all.”

The way the virus spread so easily because people didn’t stay home and made so many people sick is why Feathers and a mom whose family got sick are talking about what happened.
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CNN: Summer camps close after Covid-19 outbreaks among campers and staff
New York Daily News: Coronavirus sweeps summer camp, infects 82 campers, counselors and staff in Missouri
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Sure, I get that not letting kids get back to school will cause emotional problems later on. But I think that kids bringing a virus home that makes mommy very, very sick, or possibly kills grandpa, will cause a lot more.
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I'm still worried about the long-term issues from asymptomatic cases.. just because "young people" are less likely to have severe effects now doesn't mean they won't be very sick in the future from this.

There is at least some evidence that there is long term damage even in asymptomatic cases, so leaning on the "young people" crutch seems dishonest at best.
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tek wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:39 am I'm still worried about the long-term issues from asymptomatic cases.. just because "young people" are less likely to have severe effects now doesn't mean they won't be very sick in the future from this.

There is at least some evidence that there is long term damage even in asymptomatic cases, so leaning on the "young people" crutch seems dishonest at best.
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CNN: CDC director says no revised school guidelines despite Trump's push


(CNN)The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will not revise its guidelines for reopening schools despite calls from President Donald Trump and the White House to do so, agency Director Dr. Robert Redfield said Thursday.

Instead, additional reference documents will be provided, Redfield told ABC's "Good Morning America."

As anxious parents and educators across the country hand wring over how to safely bring children back to the classroom, the discord between Trump and his top health advisers over appropriate precautions has added another layer of uncertainty.

The President, against the advice of some of the nation's top health officials, has repeatedly called for schools to reopen as coronavirus cases surge across the country.

On Wednesday, while Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, warned that the country has to maintain control over the pandemic to get children back to school in the fall, Trump slammed the CDC's existing guidelines.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:14 am Sure, I get that not letting kids get back to school will cause emotional problems later on. But I think that kids bringing a virus home that makes mommy very, very sick, or possibly kills grandpa, will cause a lot more.
How many teachers are going to become ill, or die? How many NEED to die before becoming a teacher becomes an even less desirable job than it already is? Don't forget that bus drivers, custodians, food servers, teacher's assistants, etc., skew older.
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House Republicans just gave a press briefing demanding schools reopen.
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2 of 9 had masks on.
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Azastan wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 pm How many teachers are going to become ill, or die?
Answer: As many as it takes for the Idiot to pretend the economy will roar back (it won't) so he can believe in his empty soul that he will get reelected.
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One Third of Teachers Are at Higher Risk for Coronavirus

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-n ... oronavirus

We may be looking at a mass-exodus of teachers rather than putting their lives in danger for Trump
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Jim wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:51 pm One Third of Teachers Are at Higher Risk for Coronavirus

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-n ... oronavirus

We may be looking at a mass-exodus of teachers rather than putting their lives in danger for Trump
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Students in Palm Beach County public schools will continue learning from home when classes resume next month after school board members concluded Wednesday the risks of reopening classrooms were too great.
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Fuck these people.
Fuck all these people.
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Isn't it amazing...some of the pub congressmen are planning on NOT attending the GOP Convention because of the virus, and yet they're demanding teachers put themselves at risk.

Bunch of goddamn hypocrites.
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Trump, arguing for schools to reopen: "Those at lower risk, such as young and healthy— children, in many cases, the immune system is so powerful, so strong."

Of note: Teachers, administrative staff, aides, and maintenance crews work in schools and might not be young or healthy.
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Our schools reopen (sort of) 8/4. There is a hotline for concerned parents.

Classes will be provided on site and remotely. Staff and students with health concerns/higher risk will participate remotely. Children who didn't do well with remote classes and/or have special needs have priority for attending on site. If all goes well, all students will be able to participate with a combination of remote and on site classes, thus keeping down the number of students on campus. Assuming no outbreaks, over time all students will be shifted back in the schools. Basically, there are 4 stages to reach a fully open school. Sounds like a good plan.
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