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Opening up is hard to do.
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WELP. South Korea orders bars and nightclubs to shut down again, for a further 30 days, after health officials tracked 13 new #Covid19 cases to a single person who attended five bars/nightclubs in Seoul.

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A COVID-19 positive man walks into a Seoul bar...and 1900 people need to get traced-and-tested, with 40 positives found already and 2000 venues shut down a week after they reopened.
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Brett Pransky
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The President of the United States can't keep #Covid_19 out of the
@WhiteHouse
with daily testing and exhaustive contact tracing.

But I'm supposed to go shopping in places that have neither.

No thank you.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... 1589043290
In Italy, Milan’s mayor has warned he might have to reimpose rules if people did not respect physical distancing. And although Spain’s daily death toll continues to fall, its exit plans at present will only allow half of the population living in less badly affected areas to start moving back towards normal life.

:snippity:

The growing global economic crisis is particularly acute in places where authorities have few resources to support those who have lost work. In Afghanistan at least seven people were killed and more than a dozen injured when police opened fire on a protest against corruption in food distribution projects.

:snippity:

As debates rage in other countries about the return of professional football, games will be played in the Faroe Islands on Saturday for the first time since the coronavirus outbreak.

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A French MP has failed in her bid to to get “love” added to the list of “compelling reasons” that must be given for anyone to travel more than 100km (62 miles) in the country
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Saigon is now in the midst of full re-opening with schools opening gradually from last week and I have seen gyms open now, and small bars announcing their opening. However, there is no real enforced social distancing. A huge outdoor restaurant by our apartment has some walk-in box that "disinfects" patrons :doh: ...I have eaten out once in the last few weeks since restos started opening, mid-day at an empty open-air restaurant, but I am in no hurry to return to more intimate indoor establishments ~ at least not until Premier League returns...Wait and see how it goes... :- :-
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https://www.chron.com/local/article/Hou ... socialflow
New cases of coronavirus have emerged in the U.S. after the easing of social distancing guidelines.

Officials in Pasadena, California, warned Saturday against Mother's Day gatherings after a cluster of new COVID-19 cases was identified there among a large group of extended family and friends attending a recent birthday party, despite a stay-at-home order in effect.

Investigators discovered more than five confirmed cases and "many more ill individuals" linked to the party, the local public health department said.

There are also reports of new clusters of coronavirus cases internationally which are igniting concerns about a second wave. China reported 14 new cases on Sunday, its first double-digit rise in 10 days.
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BBC News (UK)
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"We will hope to reopen some of the hospitality industry and other public places, provided they are safe"

In a ministerial address, the UK PM says he hopes venues could reopen by July, but says "it all depends on a series of big ifs"

http://bbc.in/CoronavirusUKPMAddress
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New coronavirus clusters show risks of 2nd wave as protests flare

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In Germany, where thousands have protested in recent days against the remaining restrictions, health officials say the number of people each confirmed coronavirus patient infects rose above 1 again, reflecting a renewed increase in cases. The number must be below one for outbreaks to decline.

Worldwide, health officials are anxiously watching to see just how much infection rates rise in a second wave as nations and states emerge from varying degrees of lockdown.

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China reported 14 new cases on Sunday, its first double-digit rise in 10 days. Eleven of 12 domestic infections were in the northeastern province of Jilin, which prompted authorities to raise the threat level in one of its counties, Shulan, to high risk, just days after downgrading all regions to low risk.
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Wall St set to drop on fear of new infection wave

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Germany and South Korea reported a surge in new COVID-19 cases on Sunday, in an ominous sign for all countries beginning to lift virus lockdowns.

“That’s going to put water on the fire today,” said Gerald Sparrow, portfolio manager of the Sparrow Growth Fund in St. Louis, Missouri.

“(Still), the difference now than four months ago is that governments and health organizations have more specific plans. The big tipping point is going to be if we can’t come up with a medicine to treat the virus.”

Battered travel-related stocks, including Carnival Corp, Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd, American Airlines Group Inc and United Airlines Holdings Inc dropped more than 2% each in premarket trading.
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A Cape Cod ice cream shop reopened — and faced harassment so bad one staffer quit, owner says

Hannah Knowles and Meryl Kornfield
May 10, 2020 at 11:19 p.m. GMT+2

Friday was supposed to be a step back toward normal for Polar Cave Ice Cream Parlour.

Instead, it turned into one of Mark Lawrence’s worst days in close to two decades serving award-winning desserts in Cape Cod.

People disregarded a rule to order an hour before pickup and demanded their ice cream anyway, he wrote on his business’s Facebook page. Customers took out their anger at delays on overwhelmed employees, including a teenage girl who quit, he said. The harassment came as employees around the country face verbal abuse and even violence while trying to navigate a new era of socially distant operations and public health precautions.



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There's definitely evidence that vocal projection, particularly yelling as meat packing workers have to over the din of the line, increases transmission.
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Interesting data point for churches in CDC report on choir outbreak in Washington: 'The act of singing itself might have contributed to SARS-CoV-2 transmission' https://cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs ... 21-DM28169
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Another reason nightclubs are gonna be real tough: close quarters, lots of people, loud music and people yelling close to each other.
To which you can add noisy school cafeterias.
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Volkonski wrote:
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Chris Hayes
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There's definitely evidence that vocal projection, particularly yelling as meat packing workers have to over the din of the line, increases transmission.
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Interesting data point for churches in CDC report on choir outbreak in Washington: 'The act of singing itself might have contributed to SARS-CoV-2 transmission' https://cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs ... 21-DM28169
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Another reason nightclubs are gonna be real tough: close quarters, lots of people, loud music and people yelling close to each other.
To which you can add noisy school cafeterias.
I'm friends with some singers / choir directors on Facebook, and this panel discussion has been making the rounds lately: https://www.middleclassartist.com/post/ ... ic-singing

Summary is that according to this panel of experts, there is no safe public / communal singing until there is a vaccine.

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We drove by our favorite ice cream shop the other day. There is always a long line around the building at almost any time (often listed in the top 50 in the country). They were taking orders and delivering to people sitting in their cars. I should look at their web page to see how they are doing it. I would have to know their exact procedures before I would consider going.
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#BREAKING California State University campuses to remain closed through fall semester, affecting 23 universities https://t.co/yovEfW7Rj6
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While LA County will keep the stay-at-home orders in place for 3 more months, Universal Orlando is (partially) reopening.
Universal Orlando Resorts announced it would be partially reopening in Florida this week, although with coronavirus protection guidelines in place.

The CityWalk attraction will reopen with limited operations on May 14 from 4 p.m. to 10 p.m., requiring visitors to wear face masks and be subjected to temperature checks on arrival, the company said Tuesday.

Theme parks, including Universal Studios and Islands of Adventure, will remain closed until at least May 31.
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Yeah, I heard about LA county. If I had any doubts about cancelling the trip to California with our granddaughter, and I didn't, that took care of that.
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Texas Tribune: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton warns Austin, San Antonio, Dallas to loosen coronavirus restrictions

Paxton's office said that there could be litigation if cities do not pull back coronavirus restrictions related to masks, sheltering in place and religious services
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CNN: Pennsylvania becomes latest coronavirus battleground as Trump prods Democratic governor to 'move quickly'
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Addie wrote:
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Texas Tribune: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton warns Austin, San Antonio, Dallas to loosen coronavirus restrictions

Paxton's office said that there could be litigation if cities do not pull back coronavirus restrictions related to masks, sheltering in place and religious services
If those cities do what that idiot says to do, they will be responsible for dealing with the consequences, not him.

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Addie wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 10:56 am
Texas Tribune: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton warns Austin, San Antonio, Dallas to loosen coronavirus restrictions

Paxton's office said that there could be litigation if cities do not pull back coronavirus restrictions related to masks, sheltering in place and religious services
Adding:
CNN: Pennsylvania becomes latest coronavirus battleground as Trump prods Democratic governor to 'move quickly'
So they want to shield employers from litigation from opening too early, but they want to force them to open too early through litigation?

Of course.

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It makes perfect sense: Force companies and institutions to open, so that employees and workers will be at risk of preventable illness and death; protect companies and institutions from the legal repercussions of opening up too soon and causing preventable illness and death.

The third leg of this totalitarian shitstorm is sending out CDC guidelines that don't demand that employers meet safety standards to avoid preventable illness and death.

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Estimating the burden of SARS-CoV-2 in France

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France has been heavily affected by the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic and went into lockdown on the 17 March 2020. Using models applied to hospital and death data, we estimate the impact of the lockdown and current population immunity. We find 3.6% of infected individuals are hospitalized and 0.7% die, ranging from 0.001% in those <20 years of age (ya) to 10.1% in those >80ya. Across all ages, men are more likely to be hospitalized, enter intensive care, and die than women. The lockdown reduced the reproductive number from 2.90 to 0.67 (77% reduction). By 11 May 2020, when interventions are scheduled to be eased, we project 2.8 million (range: 1.8–4.7) people, or 4.4% (range: 2.8–7.2) of the population, will have been infected. Population immunity appears insufficient to avoid a second wave if all control measures are released at the end of the lockdown.
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Cross-posting
Associated Press: AP Exclusive: CDC guidance more restrictive than White House

GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — Advice from the top U.S. disease control experts on how to safely reopen businesses and institutions during the coronavirus pandemic was more detailed and restrictive than the plan released by the White House last month.

The guidance, which was shelved by Trump administration officials, also offered recommendations to help communities decide when to shut facilities down again during future flareups of COVID-19.

The Associated Press obtained a 63-page document that is more detailed than other, previously reported segments of the shelved guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It shows how the thinking of the CDC infection control experts differs from those in the White House managing the pandemic response.

The White House’s “Opening Up America Again” plan that was released April 17 included some of the CDC’s approach, but made clear that the onus for reopening decisions was solely on state governors and local officials.
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The White House’s “Opening Up America Again” is actually "I'll be doing rallies again, people!"

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I think he should have dozens of rallies. The more the merrier. No masks allowed. :mrgreen:
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