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WaPo - Jennifer Rubin
Look to the governors, not Trump, before venturing out

Historian Jon Meacham put it well on “Meet the Press” in describing the gap between the reality Americans are experiencing and what they hear from the president on the novel coronavirus. “He is constantly selling his own reaction to the crisis in the face of facts,” Meacham said on “Meet the Press.” “And I think that ultimately what you’re seeing with the numbers is Americans at some intuitive level understanding that the president is selling them; he’s not protecting them.” He added that “this is a virus; the virus can’t be bullied. It can’t be dismissed.” Trump’s salesmanship works only so long as his audience is willing to suspend belief and ignore their own experiences.

However, when their lives and their economic survival are in trouble, they, in all likelihood, will not rely on the reality show host. As a legal matter, governors will make decisions about resuming economic activity once the pandemic is under control. With roughly 2,000 people dying each day from the coronavirus, we are not at that point.

When the number of deaths and hospitalizations decline dramatically, what then? New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D), who has pledged to work cooperatively with his counterparts in New York and Connecticut, sounded sensible on the Sunday TV show rounds. He told Jake Tapper on CNN, “There’s a sequence here that we have to abide by. And that is, we need a health-care recovery, a health recovery first, and then the economic recovery.” He explained, “It has to come in that sequencing. And I fear, if we open up too early, and we have not sufficiently made that health recovery and cracked the back of this virus, that we could be pouring gasoline on the fire, even inadvertently.”

New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) likes to say it does not matter what he feels, what he hopes, what he believes. That’s the world of childish wish-making — if I really want something or say something, it will become true. It is also the world of salesmanship when the perception of a product and the status one imagines counts for more than the quality of the product — until you try it. Once you’ve chewed the tough steak, or swallowed the cheap vodka, or attended the fake university, you realize you have been sold a lie. And that is where we have been from the onset of the pandemic and where we will be when it ultimately subsides (or we have a vaccine available).

Trump tried to will the public into believing the virus would just “disappear” one day or that 15 cases would become close to zero. We know that was preposterous. In the same way that his words could not affect the spread of the disease or its cessation on a certain date (Easter), his words will not reopen the school room doors and the factory gates. Governors will study the data, assess the extent of the testing capacity, and decide when and how we can safely begin to loosen the stay-at-home rules. Thank goodness they and not the frantic salesman in chief will make that call.
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Trump and Allies Push Toward Reopening Economy. But Governors Urge Caution.

Officials still in the thick of the coronavirus pandemic on Sunday voiced fears that relaxing protective measures too early could cause the virus to surge once again.


ATLANTA — President Trump has been open about his eagerness to see the economy and some semblance of business as usual spring back to life as soon as possible. His surgeon general, Jerome Adams, in a television interview on Friday noted the potential for reopening the country — “place by place, bit by bit,” beginning as early as next month.

But on Sunday, officials still in the thick of the grim reality caused by the coronavirus pandemic urged caution, fearing that relaxing protective measures too early could cause the virus to surge once again.

In interviews on Sunday morning talk shows, governors and mayors acknowledged the delicate balance between aggressively combating the virus and limiting the economic pain, but they said that public health concerns were their priority. ...

Mr. Trump has acknowledged the gravity of the question of when to reopen the country but seldom hesitates to show his impatience. On Sunday he said in a tweet: “Governors, get your states testing programs & apparatus perfected. Be ready, big things are happening. No excuses!”

But the decision to reopen businesses and civic life is not entirely, or even primarily, his to make. And many governors have expressed wariness about lifting stay-at-home orders prematurely.
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Mother Jones: No, the United States Isn't Leading the World in Coronavirus Testing

On Sunday, President Trump took to Twitter to urge governors to buck up and start testing residents for coronavirus. “No excuses!” he wrote.
Governors, get your states testing programs & apparatus perfected. Be ready, big things are happening. No excuses! The Federal Government is there to help. We are testing more than any country in the World. Also, gear up with Face Masks!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2020
There’s a lot to unpack in this latest presidential deflection of responsibility. The failure to make coronavirus tests widely available months ago is perhaps the most colossal mistake among the Trump administration’s many bungled coronavirus responses. To date, there have been 2.8 million coronavirus tests administered in the United States, according to the COVID Tracking Project. That’s less than one percent of the population—a lower per capita rate than other countries. So while it’s technically true that the US has tested more people than other countries, the suggestion that we’re leading the world in testing rates—something Trump has repeated—is not.
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And look to local mayors.

My island was immediately active in stopping the spread. Go home, stay home. Quarantine for 14 days anybody flying in. Several people have arrested for violating the quarantine. Everyone has to wear a mask when they go out, and businesses can ban people who don't. All vacation rentals are shut down, other than hotels, which must monitor incoming people. (The FAA won't let us stop out of state people.) There a few people arrested for violating the quarantine. Enjoy your $5000 fine! Neighbor island flights are restricted to essential workers and people with medical needs. Everyone wears a mask if they are ok'd to fly. We had avoided community spread, but sadly we now have 3 cases.

3 of the 4 mayors have asked the Trump administration to shut down flights to Hawaii. That was refused unless the governor requests it. Ige refused to do so, which is why he'll lose in the coming election.
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Ours requested it, FAA said no.
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Cuomo to make"reopening" plan announcement with other governors later today

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The Hill: Cuomo: Reopening economy will be a 'delicate balance'

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) on Monday described any reopening of the U.S. economy, shut down due to the coronavirus, as a gradual process, while also expressing cautious optimism of the possibility. ...

“As much as we have this emotion, we want it to happen and we want it to happen now [and] we can’t take this anymore, it is a delicate balance,” Cuomo said at his daily press briefing, citing red flags in nations that have reopened.

“I want to learn from those other countries and I want to make sure that we know from our studies and assessment of what’s going on in those other countries what worked and what didn’t work,” he added.

Cuomo said a return to the status quo would be a multistep process involving an easing of isolation, an increase in economic activity and a recalibration of which workers are considered “essential workers,” using the metaphor of a valve being turned “very slowly” while more testing is conducted and more precautions are taken, all while continuing to monitor daily hospitalization and infection rates.

“If you see that infection rate start ticking up … you know you’ve opened the valve too fast,” he said.

Cuomo added that he was “not interested in political opinions” in determining the process, saying he would consult public health experts who could use parts of China and South Korea that have begun reopening as a model.
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The problem with the rate ticking up is that it takes two weeks.
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AndyinPA wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:34 pm The problem with the rate ticking up is that it takes two weeks.
Indeed! That's a big part of why the world got into this mess.

I await with interest to hear what the governors are thinking about this.
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Cuomo previews an announcement with other governors this afternoon starting to contemplate a reopening plan.

He cautions that this will not be a "flip-a-switch" process.

"There is going to be no epiphany," he says, adding the headlines will not read: "Hallelujah, It's Over."

Adam Klasfeld
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Cuomo on the pandemic: "I want it to be over tomorrow more than you want it to be over tomorrow, but that is not the reality."

So stay the course, he adds, urging continuing the lockdowns.

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Anyone watching the regional conference of governors should be struck with the difference between them and the klown in the Oval Office.
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Adam Klasfeld
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Andrew Cuomo's press briefing with other governors is starting now.

"We share information, and we share information and we share intelligence."

"The reality is that this virus doesn't care about state borders, and we shouldn't either," Raimondo adds.

Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo applauds Cuomo's initiative for a "smart, targeted approach" to "slowly" open the economy that protects the vulnerable.

"Throughout the crisis, the governors have been the one showing great leadership & taking actions to keep our residents safe."

Cuomo emphasizes the need to be guided by experts and data and science, before turning the briefing over to New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy.

"We do know this: that an economic recovery only occurs on the back of a complete health care recovery," he says, via phone.

Asked a direct question about Trump's claim that he has the power to open up the states, Pennsylvania Governor Wolf diplomatically responds that since the governors shut down the states, it's up to them to open them up.

Cuomo invites other states to join their coalition.

Notably absent from this briefing in this regional response: GOP
@MassGov Charlies Baker.

Cuomo on Trump's claim the White House is in charge: "Well look, let's see what the federal governor's plan is."

"Gov. Wolf's point was right," Cuomo says. "[Trump] left it to the states to close down.

"Without any guidance," Cuomo said, Trump made it the states' decision.

Cuomo tells a reporter that he has not spoken to Trump about this.

"You want to shift the responsibilities in the relationship?" the governor asks the president, telling him to answer questions about how in a clearly defined way.

Trump hasn't.

.@NYGovCuomo
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: "You're president of the United States. You want to put forth a management model? Let's hear the model."

Cuomo: Why didn't the federal government make decisions on closing? I don't know.

Cuomo: [Pennsylvania] Gov. Wolf's point is right. The states closed. It's an interesting construct that it's not the federal government's responsibility to close the economy, but it is your responsibility to open the economy.

Cuomo: If the federal government says they're going to come with a state plan, then that's going to trump a state plan--pardon the pun--if it comports with the constitution and the law.

Note the qualification at the end of that sentence.

Cuomo: "What sense does it make for FEMA to say 'We don't do purchasing'?," adding that in his experience, yes, FEMA does just that.

Cuomo says it was "total madness."

I'm not in the room, and it was a reporter's question that elicited that disclosure.

Asked about the Chinese ventilator orders, Cuomo replies: "We ordered about 17,000. We got about 3,000."

Q: Are you going to be waiting for the others?

A: I think we're going to be waiting a long, long time.

Cuomo then talks about the bidding war between the states.

I have been digging into US government contracts on ventilators, respirators, field hospitals and everything in between.

The press is doing everything we can under extremely challenging circumstances to pin down these facts. We can only report what we can learn. I'm asking.
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"You're president of the United States. You want to put forth a management model? Let's hear the model.”

:boxing:

Trump is asking the virus committee to have a physical, enlarged scale model of the virus for the next briefing. . . .
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Governor Jay Inslee
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The West Coast is ahead of the curve on COVID-19. We’re going to make sure that stays true.

WA, OR and CA will work together on a shared approach for reopening our economies.

@GavinNewsom
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@OregonGovBrown
and I agree on these principles to reopen our economy:

Our residents' health comes first
Health outcomes and science – not politics - will guide these decisions
Our states will only be effective by working together, as one

Any successful lifting of interventions must include a robust system for testing, tracking and isolating.

The states will work together to share best practices and coordinate a framework to get it done.
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Joint statement from the Washington, Oregon and California governors:

COVID-19 has preyed upon our interconnectedness. In the coming weeks, the West Coast will flip the script on COVID-19 – with our states acting in close coordination and collaboration to ensure the virus can never spread wildly in our communities.

We are announcing that California, Oregon and Washington have agreed to work together on a shared approach for reopening our economies – one that identifies clear indicators for communities to restart public life and business.

While each state is building a state-specific plan, our states have agreed to the following principles as we build out a West Coast framework:

Our residents’ health comes first. As home to one in six Americans and gateway to the rest of the world, the West Coast has an outsized stake in controlling and ultimately defeating COVID-19.
Health outcomes and science – not politics - will guide these decisions. Modifications to our states’ stay at home orders must be made based off our understanding of the total health impacts of COVID-19, including: the direct impact of the disease on our communities; the health impact of measures introduced to control the spread in communities —particularly felt by those already experiencing social disadvantage prior to COVID-19; and our health care systems’ ability to ensure care for those who may become sick with COVID-19 and other conditions. This effort will be guided by data. We need to see a decline in the rate of spread of the virus before large-scale reopening, and we will be working in coordination to identify the best metrics to guide this.
Our states will only be effective by working together. Each state will work with it’s local leaders and communities within its borders to understand what’s happening on the ground and adhere to our agreed upon approach.
Through quick and decisive action, each of our states has made significant progress in flattening the curve and slowing the spread of COVID-19 among the broader public. Now, our public health leaders will focus on four goals that will be critical for controlling the virus in the future.

Protecting vulnerable populations at risk for severe disease if infected. This includes a concerted effort to prevent and fight outbreaks in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities.
Ensuring an ability to care for those who may become sick with COVID-19 and other conditions. This will require adequate hospital surge capacity and supplies of personal protective equipment.
Mitigating the non-direct COVID-19 health impacts, particularly on disadvantaged communities.
Protecting the general public by ensuring any successful lifting of interventions includes the development of a system for testing, tracking and isolating. The states will work together to share best practices.
COVID-19 doesn’t follow state or national boundaries. It will take every level of government, working together, and a full picture of what’s happening on the ground.

In the coming days the governors, their staff and health officials will continue conversations about this regional pact to recovery.
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Volkonski wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:18 pm Joint statement from the Washington, Oregon and California governors:
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Maybe the governors should team up and pick one guy to coordinate things between the states with some limited powers delegated to him or her. Maybe write down what those powers are so there’s no confusion down the line?
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neonzx wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:25 pm
Volkonski wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:18 pm Joint statement from the Washington, Oregon and California governors:
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Volkonski wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:03 pm
neonzx wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:25 pm
Volkonski wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:18 pm Joint statement from the Washington, Oregon and California governors:
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That’s a big :twoup: to the orange a-hole in the White House.
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Politico: States still baffled over how to get coronavirus supplies from Trump

Governors are trying any method they can think of — contacting FEMA, making Twitter pleas, calling Trump and going to the media.
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The Hill: Trump claims he, not governors, has authority on opening state economies

President Trump on Monday claimed that he, not state governors, has the ultimate authority to loosen restrictions on states as the coronavirus outbreak eases, an assertion disputed by legal experts.

“For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect,” Trump tweeted Monday morning.

“It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue,” Trump continued. “A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!”

Trump did not cite any particular legal authority.
New York Mag - Jonathan Chait: Trump Claims Unconstitutional Power to Overrule State Stay-at-Home Orders
National Review: ‘It Is the Decision of the President’: Trump Falsely Claims He Can Order Governors to End Coronavirus Lockdown
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Addie wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:27 pm
Politico: States still baffled over how to get coronavirus supplies from Trump

Governors are trying any method they can think of — contacting FEMA, making Twitter pleas, calling Trump and going to the media.
They need to offer to take 99 year leases in Kushner’s 666 building.
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Gov.ca.gov: California, Oregon & Washington Announce Western States Pact | California Governor
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WILX: Gov. Whitmer leads coalition calling on Trump Administration to increase affordable healthcare during coronavirus pandemic

LANSING, MI (WILX) -- Governor Gretchen Whitmer is leading a coalition of 12 governors calling on the Trump Administration to increase access to affordable healthcare, according to the governor's office.

Gov. Whitmer's office said the coalition, comprised of governors from Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin, sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator Seema Verma asking the administration to "take swift action to allow for a special enrollment period of at least 30 days on the federal healthcare exchange."

“Too many of our constituents are uninsured or underinsured despite the steps we’ve taken at the state level,” the governors said. “As a result, far too many of our residents are choosing to forgo coronavirus testing and treatment out of fear of the potential costs to themselves and their families. It is essential that we remove every barrier as quickly as possible to ensure those in our states and across the country are able to access the treatment they need. One of the most effective ways this can be done is by opening up a federal special enrollment period to give everyone the chance to enroll in a health plan that offers the coverage they need with access to any qualifying subsidies.” ...

“During this crisis, we must do everything we can to ensure access to quality, affordable health care,” said Governor Whitmer. “That’s why we’re calling on the Trump Administration to do the right thing, reconsider its decision, and allow for a special enrollment period, and it’s also why we’re taking action in Michigan to expand opportunities for safe, quality care. We will continue to work with our partners across both state and federal government, as well as those in the private sector, to ensure Michiganders everywhere can access the care they need.”
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The Hill: Ohio governor: We can't just 'turn a switch' to reopen the economy

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R) said Monday the reopening of the economy after the danger from the coronavirus begins to subside will likely be a gradual process.

“I think sometimes we all think we're going to turn a switch and be back to normal, and that's just not going to happen,” DeWine said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “We’re going to have to slowly do this.”

The governor said he expects to issue a series of decisions when he decides to reopen businesses, as opposed to one sweeping order.
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