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CBS News
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The Senate is expected to take the first steps in President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial Thursday by swearing in all 100 U.S. senators. Stayed tuned to this stream for all of the day's events. The expected schedule is as follows:

-10:30am EST: PBS NewsHour's pre-show with all the information you need to know for today.
-Noon EST: House democrats formally deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate.
-12:30pm EST: We rebroadcast our pre-show with all the information you need to know for today.
-2:00pm EST: U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is sworn in to preside over the trial, and all U.S. senators are sworn in as jurors.

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Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:53 pm
CBS News
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Well done, Slim!

Character witnesses: Vladimir Putin, Duterte,
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Good heavens, Slim! You left out the star witness:

Hillary Clinton!!!
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Senators prepare for contentious Tuesday session that could stretch hours and could go behind closed doors

Senate leaders are preparing for a contentious session Tuesday that could stretch several hours as well as send the chamber into a closed session as Democrats try to force the GOP into accepting witness testimony and documents to be produced during the impeachment trial, according to multiple senators and other sources familiar with the planning.

Democrats will try to amend the organizing resolution that will be offered by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Under McConnell's plan, there is expected to be no guarantee that there will be witness testimony or documents produced, decisions Republicans want to punt until after opening arguments are completed on both sides and senators have a chance to ask questions.

But Democrats will attempt to change that. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is expected to offer at least one amendment to stipulate that witnesses must testify and that documents blocked so far by the White House be turned over to senators. But Democratic senators told CNN that it's possible Schumer could try to offer multiple amendments, and that could stretch debate on for several more hours.

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Impeachment managers have filed their brief.
https://intelligence.house.gov/news/doc ... mentID=913

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... Trial.html

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They’re not even gonna try and say he didn’t do anything
I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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TRUMP provides his formal response or "answer" tonight to the House's impeachment articles https://whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploa ... -Trump.pdf
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Key Republican senators now open to witnesses in Trump impeachment trial

Senators Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins said they’d be likely to vote for additional information in President Trump’s impeachment trial. New evidence is bolstering the claims of Lev Parnas, an indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, that he was connected to the Trump administration — including photos with Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and other Republican officials.

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'Framers' worst nightmare': House Democrats make their case for removing Trump from office

(CNN) House Democrats on Saturday released their argument for why President Donald Trump should be removed from office by the Senate in the upcoming impeachment trial, calling on the chamber to "eliminate the threat that the President poses to America's national security."

The House impeachment managers filed to the Senate their trial brief, a summary explaining why the House passed two articles of impeachment last month charging Trump with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, ahead of the trial arguments kicking off next week.

"President Trump's conduct is the Framers' worst nightmare," the managers wrote in the brief. ...

The legal filings represent the paper version of the arguments that will play out on the Senate floor starting next week, previewing the proceedings in the chamber that's being transformed from legislative body to courtroom. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is presiding over the proceedings, and the Senate is being adjusted for the trial, including adding the ability to play audio and video, normally forbidden in the chamber.

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Draft of McConnell's rules for trial still allows motion to dismiss

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is preparing a resolution that would leave room for President Trump's lawyers to move immediately to dismiss the impeachment charges if they so choose, according to Republican Sen. Josh Hawley.

Yes, but: Republican Senate leaders, including McConnell and Roy Blunt, the senior senator from Missouri, have already said members aren't interested in a vote to dismiss. And it seems unlikely that Trump's team would push for what would almost certainly be a losing vote — a move that could be seen as a sign of weakness at the outset of the trial.

Behind the scenes: "I am familiar with the resolution as it stood a day or two ago," Hawley, the junior senator from Missouri, told me in a phone interview on Saturday. "My understanding is that the resolution will give the president's team the option to either move to judgment or to move to dismiss at a meaningful time..."
Hawley added that in the most recent draft of the organizing resolution he saw there was an option for the president's counsel to make a motion in multiple places, including at the beginning of the proceedings.

A Republican leadership aide responded: "The White House has the right to make motions under the regular order, including a motion to dismiss, right after the resolution is adopted because a motion to dismiss is a motion permitted by the impeachment rules."

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Intelligence.house.gov - (press release)
U.S. House of Representatives Files Brief in Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump

Washington, January 18, 2020

Washington, DC – This afternoon, the House Managers, on behalf of the U.S. House of Representatives, filed with the Secretary of the Senate a Trial Memorandum and Statement of Material Facts in the impeachment trial of the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump. The Managers’ brief sets forth the compelling case against the President that the Managers will present to the U.S. Senate during the impeachment trial.

The Managers’ brief establishes that the President is guilty of Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress as charged in the two Articles of Impeachment. As set forth in the brief, the evidence overwhelmingly proves that President Trump corruptly exercised his official power to pressure Ukraine into interfering in the 2020 election in order to help him win reelection. The President’s abuse of power and violation of the law threatened U.S. national security and jeopardized the integrity of our free and fair elections. Through his obstruction of the House’s impeachment inquiry, President Trump attempted to place himself above the law and undermined the fundamental Constitutional principles on which our Nation was founded. The President’s gross abuse of power and obstruction of Congress reflect a pattern of misconduct and an ongoing threat to the Nation. As the Managers assert in the brief, “President Trump’s conduct is the Framers’ worst nightmare.” The Senate should do its constitutional duty to address the ongoing threat that the President poses to the Nation by convicting and removing him from office.

After the brief was filed, House Managers Adam Schiff, Jerrold Nadler, Zoe Lofgren, Hakeem Jeffries, Val Demings, Jason Crow, and Sylvia Garcia issued the following joint statement:

“The case against the President of the United States is simple, the facts are indisputable, and the evidence is overwhelming: President Trump abused the power of his office to solicit foreign interference in our elections for his own personal political gain, thereby jeopardizing our national security, the integrity of our elections, and our democracy. And when the President got caught, he tried to cover it up by obstructing the House’s investigation into his misconduct. Senators must accept and fulfill the responsibility placed on them by the Framers of our Constitution and the Oaths they have just taken to do impartial justice. They must conduct a fair trial — fair to the President and fair to the American people.”

In the brief, the Managers wrote:

President Donald J. Trump used his official powers to pressure a foreign government to interfere in a United States election for his personal political gain, and then attempted to cover up his scheme by obstructing Congress’s investigation into his misconduct. The Constitution provides a remedy when the President commits such serious abuses of his office: impeachment and removal. The Senate must use that remedy now to safeguard the 2020 U.S. election, protect our constitutional form of government, and eliminate the threat that the President poses to America’s national security.

The House adopted two Articles of Impeachment against President Trump: the first for abuse of power, and the second for obstruction of Congress. The evidence overwhelmingly establishes that he is guilty of both. The only remaining question is whether the members of the Senate will accept and carry out the responsibility placed on them by the Framers of our Constitution and their constitutional Oaths.

In explaining why the U.S. Senate must convict and remove the President, the House Managers also wrote:

The Constitution entrusts Congress with the solemn task of impeaching and removing from office a President who engages in “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” The impeachment power is an essential check on the authority of the President, and Congress must exercise this power when the President places his personal or political interests above those of the Nation. President Trump has done exactly that. His misconduct challenges the fundamental principle that Americans should decide American elections, and that a divided system of government, in which no single branch operates without the check and balance of the others, preserves the liberty we all hold dear.

The country is watching to see how the Senate responds. History will judge each Senator’s willingness to rise above partisan differences, view the facts honestly, and defend the Constitution. The outcome of these proceedings will determine whether generations to come will enjoy a safe and secure democracy in which the President is not a king, and in which no one, particularly the President, is above the law.

Finally, throughout the brief, the House Managers reiterated the central argument of the case against the President:

President Trump abused the powers of his office to invite foreign interference in an election for his own personal political gain and to the detriment of American national security interests. He abandoned his oath to faithfully execute the laws and betrayed his public trust. President Trump’s misconduct presents a danger to our democratic processes, our national security, and our commitment to the rule of law. He must be removed from office.

The President’s trial brief is due by Monday at noon, and the House’s reply brief is due Tuesday at noon.

The House Managers who will present the House’s case against the President of the United States in the U.S. Senate are Chairman Adam Schiff of California, Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York, Chairwoman Zoe Lofgren of California, Chairman Hakeem Jeffries of New York, Congresswoman Val Demings of Florida, Congressman Jason Crow of Colorado and Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia of Texas. The staffs of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the Committee on the Judiciary, and the Committee on Oversight and Reform are assisting the Managers during the impeachment trial.

Click here to read the U.S. House’s Trial Memorandum and Statement of Material Facts in the impeachment trial of President Donald J. Trump.

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A bribery charge would have been simple, too. It would have been a third charge encompassing virtually all of the facts of the first charge.

I fault the House, specifically Jerry Nadler and Adam Schiff and Professor Lawrence Tribe (their advisor) for not charging bribery.

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New York Times
Trump’s Defense Team Calls Impeachment Charges ‘Brazen’ as Democrats Make Legal Case

In a six-page filing formally responding to the impeachment charges, President Trump’s lawyers rejected the case against him as illegitimate and described the effort to remove him as dangerous.


WASHINGTON — President Trump’s legal defense team strenuously denied on Saturday that he had committed impeachable acts, denouncing the charges against him as a “brazen and unlawful” attempt to cost him re-election as House Democrats laid out in meticulous detail their case that he should be removed from office.

In the first legal filings for the Senate impeachment trial that opens in earnest on Tuesday, the dueling arguments from the White House and the House impeachment managers previewed a politically charged fight over Mr. Trump’s fate, unfolding against the backdrop of the presidential election campaign.

They presented the legal strategies both sides are likely to employ during the third presidential impeachment trial in American history. They also illustrated vividly how the solemn proceeding is almost certain to rekindle the bitter feuding over the 2016 election that has barely subsided during Mr. Trump’s tenure, and reverberate — whether he is convicted or acquitted — in an even more brutal electoral fight in November.

In a 46-page trial memorandum, and another 60-page statement of facts, the House impeachment managers asserted that beginning in the spring, Mr. Trump undertook a corrupt campaign to enlist a foreign government to help him win the 2020 election. He did so, the Democrats argued, by pressuring Ukraine to publicly announce investigations of his political rivals, withholding as leverage vital military aid and a White House meeting for the country’s president.

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New York Times - Frank Bruni
Senate Republicans Are Bathed in Shame

There’s no “impartial justice,” just protection of Trump at all costs.


The impeachment trial of Donald John Trump began on Thursday when John Roberts, the chief justice of the Supreme Court, directed all of the senators to stand and raise their right hands. Ever since I can’t get two questions out of my head.

The first: How in God’s name — and it was in God’s name — can the Republicans who have already decided to acquit President Trump take a solemn oath to administer “impartial justice”? They’re partial to the core, unabashedly so, as their united march toward a foregone conclusion shows. A mind-meld this ironclad isn’t a reflection of facts. It’s a triumph of factionalism.

The majority of the party’s senators have said outright or clearly signaled that they have no intention of finding the president guilty and removing him from office. Yapping lap dogs like Lindsey Graham and obedient manservants like Mitch McConnell have gone further, mocking the whole impeachment process.

So the oath they took: How does that work? Did they cross the fingers on their left hands? Do they reason that American politics has reached a nadir of such fundamental hypocrisy and overweening partisanship that no one regards that pledge as anything but window dressing?

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So, am I correct that IMPOTUS's team filed their answer a day early? And it was just 6 pages long? :think:
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Washington Monthly: The Real Impeachment Trial

It’s not happening on the Senate floor. It’s happening on cable news and on social media.

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Well, since it is not going to be televised..............
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I've been confused about whether or not the Senate trial will be televised. Some stories indicated no. Some implied yes. So I went in search of an answer. The answer is "sort of" because the Senate will control the feed. But that's OK, because everyone trusts Moscow Mitch. :sarcasm:

Per the LA Times:

TV networks ask Senate to use C-SPAN cameras for upcoming Trump impeachment trial
The broadcast and cable networks have issued a joint request to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell requesting that they be able to use C-SPAN cameras for coverage of the impeachment trial of President Trump.

The current plan for next week’s trial coverage has TV depending on the video feed provided by the Senate Recording Studio, which according to C-SPAN will have a restricted view of the floor debates.

C-SPAN, the nonprofit service that carries federal government proceedings and provides them to cable and satellite operators, raised the issue in a Dec. 19 letter to McConnell.

“We believe, and hope you will agree, that the American public deserves a more comprehensive view of the Senate trial,” said the letter from C-SPAN President and Co-Chief Executive Susan Swain.
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Turtle absolutely doesn't want the public to see ANY of this.

He's gonna run afoul of Trump on that.
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I hope all these stupid games backfire enormously on the repubs. This stuff might pass muster with the base, but it's not going to be popular with the Democrats and, much more importantly, with independents.
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Even the Army-McCarthy hearing were televised.

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Chuck Schumer will be holding a press conference tonight -8.00pm EST

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