White House Impeachment Response Strategy

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Post by Addie » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:38 pm

Salon - Digby: Republicans' incoherent defenses: From "no quid pro quo" to "he's a moron"

Exhausted Republicans have given up on the claim that Trump did nothing wrong. All they've got left is "he's dumb"



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Post by Suranis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:27 pm

An idiot can destroy the country when you don't stop him. For a good example see Adolf Hitler.


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Post by Chilidog » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:04 pm

NotaPerson wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:13 pm
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I think it should be someone with vast experience at trying to disqualify and remove a President. There is only one such person.
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Post by Addie » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:10 pm

New York Mag - Jonathan Chait: New GOP Ukraine Defense: Trump Was Just a Patsy for Sondland



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Post by much ado » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:15 pm

Addie wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:10 pm
New York Mag - Jonathan Chait: New GOP Ukraine Defense: Trump Was Just a Patsy for Sondland
I hope this strategy evokes a very strong rebuttal from Sondland. What does he have to lose now?



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Post by Jim » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:30 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the pubs throw someone else under the bus to cover for Trump, aren't they basically telling that person they don't care if they spend the next 5-10 years in jail?

By the time it came to trial, Trump could be out of the WH and no pardons will be available. Does anyone really want to throw themselves on a sword for Trump?



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Post by Somerset » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:31 pm

much ado wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:15 pm
Addie wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:10 pm
New York Mag - Jonathan Chait: New GOP Ukraine Defense: Trump Was Just a Patsy for Sondland
I hope this strategy evokes a very strong rebuttal from Sondland. What does he have to lose now?
What's left of his very expensive Belgian indulgence.



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Post by Suranis » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:36 pm

Saw this on facebook. Not 100% sure it's real, but its the type of thing they have done before.
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:doh: :brickwallsmall:



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RTH10260 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:16 pm
:doh: :brickwallsmall:
It makes people feel important, I'm sure. Are they made in China?



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Post by Addie » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:18 am

Cross-posting

CNN
Mulvaney attempts to join lawsuit over House subpoena, sidestepping scheduled testimony

Washington (CNN) Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney is attempting to join a lawsuit testing House subpoena power, which, if allowed, could effectively derail him from giving testimony in the impeachment inquiry until a federal court decides the case.

Mulvaney did not appear for his scheduled testimony Friday morning despite him receiving a subpoena, because the White House told him he should not appear, claiming that legally he is immune. According to transcripts of two other witness' testimony released Friday, Mulvaney was a key broker inside the White House pushing for Ukraine's announcement of investigations that could politically help President Donald Trump.

On Friday night, Mulvaney asked a court to allow him to join a lawsuit about the House subpoena power over White House witnesses in the impeachment probe. Mulvaney wrote he fears the House could hold him in contempt, while he obeys executive branch orders.

He claims that he cannot choose between complying with the House subpoena he received and the White House's instruction that he is immune from testifying, and would like a federal court to decide for him.

Mulvaney's move in court adds him to the ongoing case of another uncooperative impeachment witness, former deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman, who sued House members and the White House before his scheduled testimony, asking a court to resolve whether he should follow the White House's orders that he is immune from testimony or the House's subpoena. Kupperman's case isn't set to be resolved for weeks, if not until mid-December or later.



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Post by RVInit » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:21 am

Do Democrats have any power to call or subpoena witnesses for the Senate trial, if it comes to that?


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Post by Addie » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:25 am

The Hill
Nunes demands Schiff testify behind closed doors in Trump impeachment inquiry

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, has formally requested that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the chair of the panel, privately testify as part of the House’s impeachment investigation into President Trump. ...

"On November 6th, you announced the beginning of public hearings associated with the Democratic Party's partisan impeachment inquiry into President Donald J. Trump," Nunes wrote Friday.

"Based on the precedent and lack of jurisdiction, the House Intelligence Committee should not take the lead in conducting such hearings; however, by now the American people know your desire to see the duly-elected president removed from office outweighs your sense of responsibility to running a functioning intelligence oversight committee.

"Prior to the start of your public show trial next week, at least one additional closed-door deposition must take place," he added. "Specifically, I request that you sit for a closed-door deposition before the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight Committees." ...

"Although you publicly claim nothing inappropriate was discussed, the three committees deserve to hear directly from you the substance and circumstances surrounding any discussions conducted with the whistleblower, and any instructions you issued regarding those discussions," Nunes wrote. "Given that you have reneged on your public commitment to let the committees interview the whistleblower directly, you are the only individual who can provide clarity as to these conversations."
Also:
The Hill: Trump tears into impeachment probe, witnesses in early Twitter spree
Adding:
Daily Beast: Transcripts Show GOP ‘Terror Campaign’ to Out Whistleblower

Impeachment depositions have repeatedly been derailed by a Republican crusade to elicit information on the whistleblower.



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Post by pipistrelle » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:37 am

however, by now the American people know your desire to see the duly-elected president removed from office outweighs your sense of responsibility to running a functioning intelligence oversight committee.
Speaking for the American people now?



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Post by Addie » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:39 am

Cross-posting

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Trump ally Jim Jordan gets a seat on House Intel Committee for public impeachment hearings

President Donald Trump will get another vocal defender in the ongoing impeachment probe as it enters the public stage.

GOP Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, who has been a fervent ally of Trump, has been assigned to the House Intelligence Committee to fight for "fairness and truth" as the impeachment proceedings enter the public phase, according to a statement from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.

Jordan joins the ranks of the president's most ardent Republican defenders already on the panel, including Reps. Devin Nunes of California and John Ratcliffe of Texas.

The assignment comes soon after another man said Jordan, when he was a wrestling coach at Ohio State University in the early 1990s, ignored his claim that he had been the subject of sexual abuse by Dr. Richard Strauss. Independent investigators have ruled that Strauss, who died in 2005, sexually abused 177 male students over about 20 years.

A Jordan spokesman did not return CNBC's request for comment on the latest Strauss-related accusation.

In the impeachment hearings, Jordan will likely be at odds with Intel Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, the California Democrat who is leading the public inquiry and has drawn the ire of conservatives pundits and politicians, including Trump.



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Re: White House Impeachment Response Strategy

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Post by Addie » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:53 am

NBC News: Only 3 Senate Republicans aren't defending Trump from the impeachment inquiry. Here's why.

Romney, Collins and Murkowski have refused to sign a resolution denouncing the House Democratic effort.



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Post by Addie » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:17 am

CNN OpEd - Michael D'Antonio

Will Pence be Trump's scapegoat?

Editor's Note: Michael D'Antonio is the author of the book "Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success" and co-author with Peter Eisner of "The Shadow President: The Truth About Mike Pence." The opinions expressed in this commentary are those of the author. View more opinion articles on CNN.



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Post by Turtle » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:42 am

RVInit wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:21 am
Do Democrats have any power to call or subpoena witnesses for the Senate trial, if it comes to that?
There will be a case manager for either side. Equivalent to a prosecutor (most likely Schiff) and defense counsel. The managers call the witnesses .



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Post by Slim Cognito » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:47 am

Addie wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:17 am
CNN OpEd - Michael D'Antonio

Will Pence be Trump's scapegoat?

Editor's Note: Michael D'Antonio is the author of the book "Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success" and co-author with Peter Eisner of "The Shadow President: The Truth About Mike Pence." The opinions expressed in this commentary are those of the author. View more opinion articles on CNN.
Everyone is trump's potential scapegoat. E V E R Y O N E !


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Post by Jeffrey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:57 pm

Is Nikki working for or against Trump? She admitted all the elements of the crime :confused: :




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Post by Addie » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:39 am

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Republicans attempt to move impeachment inquiry away from Trump

House Republicans on Saturday pressed ahead with their efforts to move the impeachment inquiry away from President Trump, calling on Democrats to add witnesses to the probe including former vice president Joe Biden’s son and the whistleblower whose initial complaint kicked off the investigation.

The GOP demands were met with immediate skepticism from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), who warned against “sham investigations” of the Bidens and other issues in a clear signal that many of the witnesses were unlikely to be called.

The clash came as Democrats prepare to enter a new phase of the impeachment inquiry with public hearings beginning Wednesday, which will focus on Trump’s alleged efforts to pressure Ukrainian officials to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and other Democrats in exchange for military aid or a White House visit by the Ukrainian president. Witnesses who have testified out of public view have largely corroborated the whistleblower’s initial allegations. ...

In the weeks ahead, the GOP’s focus will be to try to minimize Trump’s role in the Ukraine pressure campaign and to justify his actions by highlighting that country’s history of corruption problems, according to Republicans familiar with the party’s strategy who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.



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Post by pipistrelle » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:45 am

Jeffrey wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:57 pm
Is Nikki working for or against Trump? She admitted all the elements of the crime :confused: :
There are times when I want to think Haley is not an unintelligent, awful human being.

She proves me wrong every time.



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Post by Addie » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:34 am

Newsweek: Scaramucci Predicts 85 Ex-White House Staffers Could Turn on Trump Because He Has 'No Loyalty to Anybody'
BBC News: Gordon Sondland: Trump’s man in Brussels in eye of the storm



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Post by TexasFilly » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:41 am

Jeffrey wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:57 pm
Is Nikki working for or against Trump? She admitted all the elements of the crime :confused: :

This seems like it might be important:
Though President Trump has said that he freed monetary aid for Ukraine on Sept. 11, Bloomberg reports that the State Department actually authorized the $141 million payment several days earlier. The decision by the State Department came from a legal finding conveyed in a classified memorandum that was sent to Secretary of State Michael Pompeo, which reportedly found that the president had no legal standing to block the Ukraine aid, according to Bloomberg’s five sources.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-a ... s?ref=home

(There's a link to the Bloomberg article, which obviously is more complete. I read it earlier today; Bloomberg gives you 5 free article/month, so I didn't want to burn 2 on the same article, but it's good).

Seems like every "defense" the Deplorables come up with gets eviscerated by stuff they are hiding.


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Post by Kendra » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:08 pm

Sen. Kennedy moves the goalposts again. :sick:



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