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Post by MN-Skeptic » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:32 pm

What's the point of developing strategy when Trump is going to do whatever he wants? After all, he's the smartest man in the administration, a stable genius.


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Post by ZekeB » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:17 pm

Yup. He barely weasels out of the Mueller Report because he has a corrupt AG and then he commits the same crimes with Ukraine and Australia.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:06 pm

MN-Skeptic wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:32 pm
What's the point of developing strategy when Trump is going to do whatever he wants? After all, he's the smartest man in the administration, a stable genius.
Trump knows more about impeachment than the constitutional scholars, than anybody . . .

Believe me.



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WaPo - The Debrief
Trump hauls out the rhetorical heavy artillery while taking a l’état, c’est moi approach to impeachment ...

Expanding on the lexicon of outrage and victimhood honed during the probe into Russian interference in the last election, Trump is invoking the muskets-and-ramparts idioms of the country’s beginnings.

The ratcheting up of his rhetoric is also indicative of Trump’s tendency to interpret any criticism of him as an attack on the government, worrying critics and scholars who warn of the dangers posed by his “l’état, c’est moi” call to arms.

“Charging anyone with treason is a most unusual act in American history. It’s an incendiary charge which relates to the ultimate crime: overthrow of the state,” said Michael J. Glennon, an international law professor at the Fletcher School at Tufts University.

In setting out a definition and consequences for treason in the Constitution, including death, the founders were guarding against the “danger that the charge of treason could be made irresponsibly against political opponents,” Glennon said, adding that cavalierly throwing around words like “treason” and “civil war” belies their unique meaning in American history.

“I suppose it has an incendiary effect on some supporters, but we are dealing with dynamite here,” Glennon said.
Adding:
The Hill: GOP lawmaker pushes back against Trump's attack on whistleblower
Associated Press: ‘This is beyond repugnant’: Illinois GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger blasts Trump as president warns of treason and civil war over impeachment
The Hill: GOP uneasy with Giuliani



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Post by Addie » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:49 am

WaPo - Philip Rucker and Robert Costa
‘A presidency of one’: Key federal agencies increasingly compelled to benefit Trump

As the impeachment drama has unfolded over the past week, a series of disclosures has illuminated President Trump’s command over key federal agencies, revealing how he has compelled them to pursue his personal and political goals, investigate his enemies and lend legitimacy to his theories about the 2016 election.

The Justice Department has prioritized a probe that the president hopes will discredit a finding by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help him win. As part of that effort, Attorney General William P. Barr has met overseas with foreign intelligence officials to enlist their aid in “investigating the investigators,” as the right’s rallying cry goes, and dig into the president’s suspicions.

The State Department, meanwhile, has been investigating the email records of as many as 130 current and former department officials who sent messages to the private email account of Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and Trump’s 2016 opponent. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo defied Congress on Tuesday by attempting to block the depositions of five department employees called to testify in the impeachment inquiry. ...

“Barr and Pompeo are stuck in the fog machine. They seem captives of the president’s perverse worldview,” said Timothy Naftali, a historian and former director of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum. “Authoritarian regimes have this problem all the time . . . when all government activity is the product of the id of the leader. But in a republic, that’s unusual.”
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POLITICO Playbook: What Republicans are saying privately about impeachment



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WaPo: Trump amps up attacks on whistleblower as some Republicans call for more strategic response to impeachment:
President Trump continued to escalate his scorched-earth campaign against a whistleblower who accused him of pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rivals, even as new evidence emerged Monday that he and his administration are urging other governments to provide assistance to a related Justice Department inquiry that has been pushed by the president.

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Behind the scenes, the president is sounding out a range of advisers for different options, speaking to friends, outside confidants and Republican lawmakers to get advice about how to proceed, according to a senior administration official.

“There are different ways to bake the cake, depending on what sort of cake you want,” the official said. “Different flavoring, different temperatures, different ingredients yield different types of cake, and the president as the master baker is testing recipes and deciding what type of cake he wants.”
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Post by Turtle » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:52 pm

If it comes down to a Senate trial, I don't think he's gonna get the votes he needs for free. At best, Moscow Mitch would give him 2 lists of names. The first list is of the people getting fired and the second list is of their replacements. At worst, one of those names will be the 2020 nominee.



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House Republicans voice concerns about White House's impeachment messaging

House Republicans are expressing frustration with how the White House is handling the Democratic charge on impeachment.

They say the administration has suffered from an ineffective, inconsistent message with some going as far as questioning whether the White House has a plan at all for taking on the Democrats.

“Who knows what playbook they are on,” one GOP lawmaker told The Hill. “[Trump’s] pulling it out of his ass as he goes along.”

Senior staffers say members have privately taken issue with the lack of central coordination on a plan, even as most Republicans have avoided publicly criticizing Trump or the White House.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4641 ... g-concerns


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Post by Addie » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:22 am

CNN: Trump's Ukraine mess leads to anxiety in Pence world
HuffPo: Pence's Team Is Trying To Distance Itself From The Ukraine Scandal

A senior aide to the vice president was reportedly on Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president.



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Post by Kendra » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:23 am

Might as well put this here as anywhere:


Last night on Fox Business, Corey Lewandowski looked so drunk that even the host asked him, "did you have a little Merlot with dinner?"
Oh, and speaking of Fox and impeachment strategy, I watched the first few minutes of Fox and Friends this morning. The hosts were speaking to their audience of one and advised him to take a lesson from Clinton (!!!!) and set up a war room and let them handle it and go on about running the country.



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Post by voxpopuluxe » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:44 am

Kendra wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:23 am
Might as well put this here as anywhere:
Last night on Fox Business, Corey Lewandowski looked so drunk that even the host asked him, "did you have a little Merlot with dinner?"
Once-upon-a-time MTV VJ Kennedy. I never liked her. You'd never catch Martha Quinn or Tabitha Soren giggling with the drunken henchman of a mad fascist.


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Post by pipistrelle » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:48 am

Did she say he sounds Bidenesque?



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Post by Kendra » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:59 am

voxpopuluxe wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:44 am
Kendra wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:23 am
Might as well put this here as anywhere:
Last night on Fox Business, Corey Lewandowski looked so drunk that even the host asked him, "did you have a little Merlot with dinner?"
Once-upon-a-time MTV VJ Kennedy. I never liked her. You'd never catch Martha Quinn or Tabitha Soren giggling with the drunken henchman of a mad fascist.
I don't watch enough Fox to even recognize her. Honestly, I think Erin Burnett on CNN did a much better job on Nunberg's day of doing all the talk shows when she called him out on smelling of alcohol :-



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Post by voxpopuluxe » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:05 pm

Kendra wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:59 am
I don't watch enough Fox to even recognize her. Honestly, I think Erin Burnett on CNN did a much better job on Nunberg's day of doing all the talk shows when she called him out on smelling of alcohol :-
Oh I never watch Fox, but I watched so much MTV back in the day that I can still pick'em all out of a lineup. I mean, you can tell that they both know exactly what they're doing and they both think it's hilarious. Just another day of shoveling the shit.


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Post by p0rtia » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:10 pm

Kendra wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:59 am
voxpopuluxe wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:44 am
Kendra wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:23 am
Might as well put this here as anywhere:

Once-upon-a-time MTV VJ Kennedy. I never liked her. You'd never catch Martha Quinn or Tabitha Soren giggling with the drunken henchman of a mad fascist.
I don't watch enough Fox to even recognize her. Honestly, I think Erin Burnett on CNN did a much better job on Nunberg's day of doing all the talk shows when she called him out on smelling of alcohol :-
Missed that tidbit. :thumbs: Thanks.


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Cross-posting
HuffPo: FEC Chair, Again: Soliciting Foreign Election Help Is Illegal

Ellen Weintraub, chair of the Federal Election Commission, was moved once again to remind political candidates that asking for help from foreign governments is illegal, minutes after President Donald Trump publicly did just that.

Speaking to reporters outside the White House on Thursday morning, the president urged the governments of Ukraine and China to investigate his Democratic rival Joe Biden.



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Post by Addie » Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:00 pm

WaPo - Paul Waldman
Trump’s angry, bizarre, self-defeating impeachment strategy

Thursday morning brought a remarkable development in the Trump impeachment saga: While the president stands to be impeached for using the power of his office to pressure a foreign government to investigate one of his political opponents, he is responding to the crisis by — wait for it — using the power of his office to pressure a foreign government to investigate one of his political opponents.

“China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine,” Trump told reporters. His allegations about Joe Biden’s son and China are, you’ll be surprised to hear, as utterly bogus as pretty much everything else he learns from trolling right-wing conspiracy theory sites.

China is obviously not the same as Ukraine; they aren’t dependent on us for weapons and protection, so they’re likely to just laugh this request off. Nevertheless, Trump’s bizarre plea shows just how blinkered his view of this whole scandal is.

His strategy — if you can call it that — has quickly come into focus. That strategy is, like so much of what we have seen over the last three years, an unfiltered expression of the man himself. And a look back at the last time we went through impeachment offers such a stark contrast that it illuminates how our politics have changed and how unique Trump really is.

If you were a Republican watching Trump’s Wednesday news conference with the president of Finland, you would not have been reassured. That he would unleash a blizzard of lies is by now to be expected, but perhaps more important was how angry, aggrieved and petulant he was, lashing out at his opponents and the assembled reporters alike. It showed that, regardless of whether you agree with him that this is all a witch hunt, Trump is most definitely not in control of his emotions and reactions.



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Post by Volkonski » Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:36 pm

:roll:
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President Infowars floats a conspiracy theory that prescription drug execs played a role in "the hoax" because they want him out of office.


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Volkonski wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:36 pm
:roll:
Aaron Rupar
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President Infowars floats a conspiracy theory that prescription drug execs played a role in "the hoax" because they want him out of office.

Whaaaa?????


This isn't real, is it?


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Post by Dolly » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:01 pm

google: trump prescription drug execs played a role in "the hoax"

Trump attacks 'Medicare for All' in Florida, accuses Dems of wanting to fund 'socialism'
<BIG SNIP to the end of the article>

Trump also did not totally set aside the impeachment push against him, even implying, without citing evidence, that pharmaceutical companies could be behind the “hoax” because they are opposed to his efforts to lower drug prices.

wouldn’t be surprised if it was from some of these industries that we take on,” he said.



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Post by tek » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:01 pm

edging ever closer to "everyone is against me!"
Dolly wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:01 pm
google: trump prescription drug execs played a role in "the hoax"

Trump attacks 'Medicare for All' in Florida, accuses Dems of wanting to fund 'socialism'
<BIG SNIP to the end of the article>

Trump also did not totally set aside the impeachment push against him, even implying, without citing evidence, that pharmaceutical companies could be behind the “hoax” because they are opposed to his efforts to lower drug prices.

wouldn’t be surprised if it was from some of these industries that we take on,” he said.



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tek wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:01 pm
edging ever closer to "everyone is against me!"
Dolly wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:01 pm
google: trump prescription drug execs played a role in "the hoax"

:snippity:


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... ida-speech
edging ever closer to everyone actually being against him. :daydream:


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Post by Chilidog » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:15 pm

:confused:

Attacking medicare in Florida doesn't seem too smart to me.


And as far as drug prices go....

That orange motherfucker is responsible for HUGE give away to Big Pharma in price protections in his USMCA

FUCK THAT LYING PIECE OF SHIT.



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Post by Dolly » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:37 pm

Chilidog wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:15 pm
:confused:

Attacking medicare in Florida doesn't seem too smart to me.


And as far as drug prices go....

That orange motherfucker is responsible for HUGE give away to Big Pharma in price protections in his USMCA

FUCK THAT LYING PIECE OF SHIT.
He was attaching MEDICARE FOR ALL. Current Medicare is good. But everybody having that kind of coverage is bad and he wants to protect us from that. :confused:

Today he signed an Executive Order. There was videos etc. I don't remember all the details but this is supposed to be a good thing for the MEDICARE ADVANTAGE insurance. (The executive order is intended to bolster Medicare Advantage, according to one link.) I don't understand how an EO will change what private insurance does.


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