Intelligence/Judiciary Impeachment Investigation: Trump Obstruction; Suborning Perjury; Whistleblower(s)

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Post by bob » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:44 pm

Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:38 pm
Exactly, that’s why I’m surprised there hasn’t been more discussion about that.
I don't there's been much serious discussion about it because the serious people recognize it as the cheap talking point to throw to the cult that it is.

Eyes on the prize, and all that.


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Post by Addie » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:50 pm

Politico: 'Witness intimidation in real-time': Democrats see more evidence of Trump obstruction

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Post by Chilidog » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:51 pm

Jim wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:33 pm
Kendra wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:08 pm
:daydream: :pray:

Dear Media: Please stop calling them the Three Amigos and switch to the Three Stooges. Please. Thank you.
Did you see the Three Amigos? Probably pretty accurate.
Don't insult the Stooges.



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Post by Turtle » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:56 pm

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Post by Jim » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:58 pm

Chilidog wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:51 pm
Jim wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:33 pm
Kendra wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:08 pm
:daydream: :pray:

Dear Media: Please stop calling them the Three Amigos and switch to the Three Stooges. Please. Thank you.
Did you see the Three Amigos? Probably pretty accurate.
Don't insult the Stooges.
The Stooges were slapstick, the Three Amigos were three idiots who didn't realize they were in above their head. I still think it's more accurate for these bozos.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:00 pm

I'm looking forward to "Ambassador" Sondland's testimony next week, including the attempted clean up (or attacks -- pick one) by the Republicans.

If Sondland has half a brain, or listens to his lawyers, he should invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege and refuse to testify. But politically he may not be able to do so.

:popcorn:



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Post by much ado » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:07 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:00 pm
I'm looking forward to "Ambassador" Sondland's testimony next week, including the attempted clean up (or attacks -- pick one) by the Republicans.

If Sondland has half a brain, or listens to his lawyers, he should invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege and refuse to testify. But politically he may not be able to do so.

:popcorn:
Now that is a real :pickle:



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Post by SuzieC » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:42 pm

Kendra wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:47 pm


Loved this.
PLEASE tell me that was shown on TV!! Trump will go batshit at the idea that she became a heroine on TV.



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Post by NMgirl » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:48 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:00 pm
I'm looking forward to "Ambassador" Sondland's testimony next week, including the attempted clean up (or attacks -- pick one) by the Republicans.

If Sondland has half a brain, or listens to his lawyers, he should invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege and refuse to testify. But politically he may not be able to do so.

:popcorn:
Is an offer of immunity a possibility :?:



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Post by much ado » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:54 pm

Fox 10 Phoenix uploaded the last few minutes to Youtube...



I swoon. :swoon:



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Post by TexasFilly » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:55 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:00 pm
I'm looking forward to "Ambassador" Sondland's testimony next week, including the attempted clean up (or attacks -- pick one) by the Republicans.

If Sondland has half a brain, or listens to his lawyers, he should invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege and refuse to testify. But politically he may not be able to do so.

:popcorn:
I've been saying that since Wednesday to poor Mr. Filly. I would advise him to plead the Fifth. Better that than end up like Roger Stone (from Sondland's perspective).


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Post by Kendra » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:57 pm

SuzieC wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:42 pm
Kendra wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:47 pm
https ://twitter.com/JesseCharlesLee/status/1195439195722002432

Loved this.
PLEASE tell me that was shown on TV!! Trump will go batshit at the idea that she became a heroine on TV.
I saw it on MSNBC



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Post by Jeffrey » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:59 pm

Which witness can confirm that the Ukraine money was held up in order to get the Biden’s investigated?



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Post by bob » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:13 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:59 pm
Which witness can confirm that the Ukraine money was held up in order to get the Biden’s investigated?
Legally, that is not a requirement; the threat is sufficient.


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Post by Turtle » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:16 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:59 pm
Which witness can confirm that the Ukraine money was held up in order to get the Biden’s investigated?
Mulvaney already confessed to this on live TV. The OMB guy testifying next week should be able to corroborate



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Post by Jeffrey » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:17 pm

Well I meant who can confirm the threat was made?



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Post by Turtle » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:19 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:17 pm
Well I meant who can confirm the threat was made?
Sondland, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo



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Post by TexasFilly » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:21 pm

If any of you are worried about talking to RWNJ relatives this Thanksgiving, particularly about the "Dems are unfair!" whines of the Trumpers, this is a good tweet:



Chapter and verse from Kellyanne's spouse. :lol:


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Post by TexasFilly » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:23 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:17 pm
Well I meant who can confirm the threat was made?
Read the rough "transcript." I guess the answer to your question is The White House.


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Post by GreatGrey » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:24 pm



I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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Post by TexasFilly » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:26 pm


According to David Holmes’s opening statement obtained by @mkraju and @jeremyherb, Holmes could hear Sondland tell Trump on the phone that President Zelensky “loves your ass.”

Trump responded “So, he’s gonna do the investigation?”

“Sondland; “He’s gonna do it."


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Post by much ado » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:28 pm

TexasFilly wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:26 pm
:snippity:
According to David Holmes’s opening statement obtained by @mkraju and @jeremyherb, Holmes could hear Sondland tell Trump on the phone that President Zelensky “loves your ass.”

Trump responded “So, he’s gonna do the investigation?”

“Sondland; “He’s gonna do it."
So Zelensky changed his mind? Interesting.



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Post by RVInit » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:34 pm

I was under the impression that professionals like Bill Taylor were able to talk some sense to Zelensky and explain to him the problems he would be creating for himself by interfering in US politics. And, also had the impression that Zelensky didn't really want to do this, he was simply convinced that he had to play Trump's game.


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Post by Jeffrey » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:37 pm

Turtle wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:19 pm
Jeffrey wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:17 pm
Well I meant who can confirm the threat was made?
Sondland, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo
Are any of them likely to admit it? Why not get someone on the Ukraine end to testify?



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