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Had Bernie been elected in 2016 he would be spinning his wheels against a Republican congress. He has more wits about him then Trump, hands down. Nonetheless, Bernie wouldn't have been damaging our country like the OSG is. Bernie will be too old in 2020. Hillary will be too old. OSG will be too old. I can't imagine who the candidates will be in 2020. We need another Obama.


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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:22 pm

Lani wrote:
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Well 538 did say that Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016, probably still the ideal candidate for 2020. #2 pick would be Warren for me.
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Post by Suranis » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:35 pm

Or because I'm a helpful soul.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/po ... move-left/

Without listening to it, it sounds from the twit that Nate just compared Sanders, with no issues, vs Hillary with Issues. Which is fairly stupid as he sure as hell would have had issues by the time the campaign ended, and he turned into grumpy Grandpa when things didn't go his way in the primaries, so the odds are that He wouldn't emotionally have been able to deal with the wheelbarrow of shit the GOP would have thrown at him, so he would have gotten snippy at least.

Of course, to be fair, its impossible to know what exactly the GOP would have thrown at Sanders, so it is hard to evaluate. I dont think that anyone would have known that John Kerry's Purple Heart Medals would be used against him, for example


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Post by RVInit » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:59 pm

"He's a socialist" would have been a part of it, and probably the least part. I don't for one second believe those 70,000 voters would have voted for someone after seeing one after another after another advertisement of a candidate labeling himself as a "Democratic Socialist". Nobody ever hears the "democratic" part of his description of himself and by the time R's would have finished with him it would have morphed into COMMUNIST!!!!


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Post by Lani » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:02 pm

Sanders was praised by Trump, as Sanders was considered the weaker Dem candidate and also to splinter off Dem voters. (The Russians and Trump promoted Sanders as a saint and Clinton as stealing the nomination.)

But just in case Sanders got the nom, the GOP was ready for him.
Here are a few tastes of what was in store for Sanders, straight out of the Republican playbook: He thinks rape is A-OK. In 1972, when he was 31, Sanders wrote a fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes, there is an explanation for it—a long, complicated one, just like the one that would make clear why the Clinton emails story was nonsense. And we all know how well that worked out.

Then there’s the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words “environmental racist” on Republican billboards. And if you can’t, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.

Also on the list: Sanders violated campaign finance laws, criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for, and he voted against the Amber Alert system. His pitch for universal health care would have been used against him too, since it was tried in his home state of Vermont and collapsed due to excessive costs. Worst of all, the Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, “Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die,’’ while President Daniel Ortega condemned “state terrorism” by America. Sanders said, on camera, supporting the Sandinistas was “patriotic.”

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:23 pm

On the other hand republicans would have to push those theories to voters in a matter of months. With Hillary there was already 3 decades of prep work done for them already.

And that’s not even mentioning differing campaign strategies, Bernie might have kept campaigning in battleground states that Hillary ignored and ended up losing.



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Post by Suranis » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:23 pm

And if I grew a sexy body I might actually get laid.


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Post by Foggy » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:33 pm

When discussing the 2020 campaign, I'm interested in two specific types of people.
  • People who are not Hillary Clinton, and
  • People who are not Bernie Sanders.
So any discussion of those two people belongs in some other thread, IMHO.


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Post by Addie » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:38 pm

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Foggy wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:33 pm
When discussing the 2020 campaign, I'm interested in two specific types of people.
  • People who are not Hillary Clinton, and
  • People who are not Bernie Sanders.
So any discussion of those two people belongs in some other thread, IMHO.


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Post by maydijo » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:16 pm

No kidding. No more Baby Boomer presidents. 100% of the Gen X presidents so far have been hella cool. Let's recruit Michelle.



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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:09 am

maydijo wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:16 pm
No kidding. No more Baby Boomer presidents. 100% of the Gen X presidents so far have been hella cool. Let's recruit Michelle.
As far as I know, the generally accepted birth date range is 1946 to 1964 so Obama would be a Baby Boomer. He's right on the cusp so, depending on the source, could be considered as either demographic.



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Post by maydijo » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:14 am

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:09 am
maydijo wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:16 pm
No kidding. No more Baby Boomer presidents. 100% of the Gen X presidents so far have been hella cool. Let's recruit Michelle.
As far as I know, the generally accepted birth date range is 1946 to 1964 so Obama would be a Baby Boomer. He's right on the cusp so, depending on the source, could be considered as either demographic.
Generations don't have any hard and fast boundaries. Some sources say Gen X started in 1960, others say 1964. Culturally Obama has more in common with Gen X than with Baby Boomers.




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Post by AndyinPA » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:07 pm

That was so depressing I couldn't even read it all. Ugh!



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Post by Suranis » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:17 pm

The Post has a habit of putting serious "conservatives" on its opinion pages. There was one a few days ago screaming that the Dems were playing politics with the shooting and that Hillary was a hypocrite for argle bargle and second ammendment 4evah!


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Post by Addie » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:37 am

WaPo OpEd: Time to take baby boomers off the ticket


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Post by Addie » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:22 pm

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Warren: 'I'm not running for president'

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D) on Saturday said she is not running for president, but refused to pledge to serve out a full six-year term in the Senate if reelected in 2018.

In the interview airing Sunday on "Meet the Press", Warren repeated herself several times when pressed by host Chuck Todd on whether she planned to serve another six years in the Senate.

"So look, I am not running for president of the United States. I am running for the United States Senate," Warren said.

"But let me actually make a — underline a point on this one, and that is we can't just be a party that says, "Oh, we're paying attention about what happens every four years." And I know there's a lot of anxiety, particularly on the Democratic side, about how we are going to deal with Donald Trump in 2020," she added.

"I take it as a no you're not pledging to serve your full six-year term if you win reelection?" Todd asked in response.

"I already told you. I have no intention of running for the United States, for president," she responded. "This government is working better and better and better for a thinner and thinner slice at the top. I am in these fights, and I am in this fight to retain my Senate seat in 2018. That's where I'm focused. That's where I'm going to stay focused. I'm not running for president."


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Post by Skip Intro » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:33 pm

Trump once again brought up his "president for life" comment to wild applause from the crowd. We may not have to worry about running a candidate against him. He may just declare himself president for life and say " what are you going to do about it."


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Post by TollandRCR » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:04 am

Addie wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:37 am
WaPo OpEd: Time to take baby boomers off the ticket
True, and the “Silent Generation” that preceded the Baby Boomers. (That means scratching my plans to be president.)


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Post by DejaMoo » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:26 pm

Here's a horrible hypothetical for the 2020 race:

Assuming Trump is either out of office by then, or that the GOP will absolutely not support a loser as their candidate. Yeah, Pence is the obvious next choice, but even he has his issues (and maybe more by 2020).

Bernie Sanders is persona non grata with the Democratic Party. And Bernie despises the Democrats at least as much as they despise him. So, no way, no how will he get the nod from the Dems ever again. But Bernie is dying to run again. He wants it, and he still has a sizeable fanbase that is clearly not committed Democratic. Nor are they committed liberals or progressives. They (a lot of them, at least) are just committed to Bernie.

So - the GOP needs a candidate with a realistic chance to beat the Blue Tide. Bernie is burning to poke the DNC's other eye, and to get elected. Sounds like a match made in heaven, to me.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:48 pm

Are you smoking dope or putting it in your food?

Asking for a worried friend.



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:49 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:48 pm
Are you smoking dope or putting it in your food?

Asking for a worried friend.
I'm worried Bernie might think of this.


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Post by DejaMoo » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:05 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:48 pm
Are you smoking dope or putting it in your food?

Asking for a worried friend.
It just...popped into my head after reading that Sanders crashed the DC students-against-guns rally, interrupting an invited speaker for a fast photo opp and to accept the students' applause, before taking off again.

Sanders' voting record on gun legislation is not as uniformly anti-gun/gun industry as those students assumed. That would make it easier for him to claim to be GOP or enough like them to be palatable to many of their base. After all, it would be the same self-serving facade that enabled him to run as a Democrat. In fact, his undistinguished legislative history would actually serve well in this hypothetical circumstance: when you haven't staked a strong stand on anything, it's so much easier to drift just enough to the left or the right for your 'change of heart' to be accepted and welcomed.

It happened here in Minnesota. Senator Norm Coleman: for most of his political career, Coleman was a loyal but not vocal Democrat. Once he went for the national stage, he switched parties - and it worked, he got the outstate Republican votes and won the Senate seat (till he lost it to Al Franken).



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:08 pm

Bernie is for single payer, DACA, lower defense budgets, no wall, generous welfare, higher social security payments, etc., etc. He's pretty much a standard IWW socialist. There is no way he will be embraced nby the Republican Party. He's their punching bag, not their mascot.

One thing, though. He still refuses to release his tax returns. That's not going to be enough.



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