The 2020 campaign

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Re: The 2020 campaign

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Post by Addie » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:09 am

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Had Bernie been elected in 2016 he would be spinning his wheels against a Republican congress. He has more wits about him then Trump, hands down. Nonetheless, Bernie wouldn't have been damaging our country like the OSG is. Bernie will be too old in 2020. Hillary will be too old. OSG will be too old. I can't imagine who the candidates will be in 2020. We need another Obama.


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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:22 pm

Lani wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:17 am
Jeffrey wrote:
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Well 538 did say that Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016, probably still the ideal candidate for 2020. #2 pick would be Warren for me.
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Post by Suranis » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:35 pm

Or because I'm a helpful soul.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/po ... move-left/

Without listening to it, it sounds from the twit that Nate just compared Sanders, with no issues, vs Hillary with Issues. Which is fairly stupid as he sure as hell would have had issues by the time the campaign ended, and he turned into grumpy Grandpa when things didn't go his way in the primaries, so the odds are that He wouldn't emotionally have been able to deal with the wheelbarrow of shit the GOP would have thrown at him, so he would have gotten snippy at least.

Of course, to be fair, its impossible to know what exactly the GOP would have thrown at Sanders, so it is hard to evaluate. I dont think that anyone would have known that John Kerry's Purple Heart Medals would be used against him, for example


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Post by RVInit » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:59 pm

"He's a socialist" would have been a part of it, and probably the least part. I don't for one second believe those 70,000 voters would have voted for someone after seeing one after another after another advertisement of a candidate labeling himself as a "Democratic Socialist". Nobody ever hears the "democratic" part of his description of himself and by the time R's would have finished with him it would have morphed into COMMUNIST!!!!


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Post by Lani » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:02 pm

Sanders was praised by Trump, as Sanders was considered the weaker Dem candidate and also to splinter off Dem voters. (The Russians and Trump promoted Sanders as a saint and Clinton as stealing the nomination.)

But just in case Sanders got the nom, the GOP was ready for him.
Here are a few tastes of what was in store for Sanders, straight out of the Republican playbook: He thinks rape is A-OK. In 1972, when he was 31, Sanders wrote a fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men. Yes, there is an explanation for it—a long, complicated one, just like the one that would make clear why the Clinton emails story was nonsense. And we all know how well that worked out.

Then there’s the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, and that he stole electricity from a neighbor after failing to pay his bills, and that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to a poor Hispanic community in Texas, where it could be dumped. You can just see the words “environmental racist” on Republican billboards. And if you can’t, I already did. They were in the Republican opposition research book as a proposal on how to frame the nuclear waste issue.

Also on the list: Sanders violated campaign finance laws, criticized Clinton for supporting the 1994 crime bill that he voted for, and he voted against the Amber Alert system. His pitch for universal health care would have been used against him too, since it was tried in his home state of Vermont and collapsed due to excessive costs. Worst of all, the Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, “Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die,’’ while President Daniel Ortega condemned “state terrorism” by America. Sanders said, on camera, supporting the Sandinistas was “patriotic.”

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-demo ... ion-521044


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Re: The 2020 campaign

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Post by Jeffrey » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:23 pm

On the other hand republicans would have to push those theories to voters in a matter of months. With Hillary there was already 3 decades of prep work done for them already.

And that’s not even mentioning differing campaign strategies, Bernie might have kept campaigning in battleground states that Hillary ignored and ended up losing.



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Post by Suranis » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:23 pm

And if I grew a sexy body I might actually get laid.


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Post by Foggy » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:33 pm

When discussing the 2020 campaign, I'm interested in two specific types of people.
  • People who are not Hillary Clinton, and
  • People who are not Bernie Sanders.
So any discussion of those two people belongs in some other thread, IMHO.



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Post by Addie » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:38 pm

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Foggy wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:33 pm
When discussing the 2020 campaign, I'm interested in two specific types of people.
  • People who are not Hillary Clinton, and
  • People who are not Bernie Sanders.
So any discussion of those two people belongs in some other thread, IMHO.


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Re: The 2020 campaign

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Post by maydijo » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:16 pm

No kidding. No more Baby Boomer presidents. 100% of the Gen X presidents so far have been hella cool. Let's recruit Michelle.



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Re: The 2020 campaign

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:09 am

maydijo wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:16 pm
No kidding. No more Baby Boomer presidents. 100% of the Gen X presidents so far have been hella cool. Let's recruit Michelle.
As far as I know, the generally accepted birth date range is 1946 to 1964 so Obama would be a Baby Boomer. He's right on the cusp so, depending on the source, could be considered as either demographic.



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Re: The 2020 campaign

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Post by maydijo » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:14 am

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:09 am
maydijo wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:16 pm
No kidding. No more Baby Boomer presidents. 100% of the Gen X presidents so far have been hella cool. Let's recruit Michelle.
As far as I know, the generally accepted birth date range is 1946 to 1964 so Obama would be a Baby Boomer. He's right on the cusp so, depending on the source, could be considered as either demographic.
Generations don't have any hard and fast boundaries. Some sources say Gen X started in 1960, others say 1964. Culturally Obama has more in common with Gen X than with Baby Boomers.




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Post by AndyinPA » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:07 pm

That was so depressing I couldn't even read it all. Ugh!



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Post by Suranis » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:17 pm

The Post has a habit of putting serious "conservatives" on its opinion pages. There was one a few days ago screaming that the Dems were playing politics with the shooting and that Hillary was a hypocrite for argle bargle and second ammendment 4evah!


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Re: The 2020 campaign

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Post by Addie » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:37 am

WaPo OpEd: Time to take baby boomers off the ticket


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