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“Biden is probably the only plausible candidate the Never Trumpers could support,” said Jim Dornan, a Republican operative in Washington who maintains relationships with anti-Trump Republicans.
Maybe of the top 3, but there are lots of palatable candidates, Amy Klobuchar being only one of many.

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Will: ‘Texodus’ bodes badly for Republicans [Opinion]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinio ... m=referral#
Hurd is one of six Texas Republican congressman who has decided not to seek reelection next year. Until this year, none of them had, since 2011, experienced the purgatory of being in the House minority. In the 2018 “Texodus,” five Texas Republican representatives retired (a sixth resigned) and two were defeated. Of the 241 Republicans in the House when Donald Trump was inaugurated, almost 40 percent are gone or going. See a trend?

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In 2018, he was one of just three Republicans to win a district carried by Hillary Clinton. (She won his by 3 points.) His House race was the nation’s fourth-most competitive: He won by 926 votes. But, then, his largest victory, in 2016, was by just 3,051 votes. His district, which includes 23 percent of Texas’ land and extends from San Antonio’s fringe to New Mexico’s border, is the state’s largest, encompassing all or parts of 29 counties and 820 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. It is 58,000 square miles — almost as big as Georgia and larger than Illinois and 25 other states. It is 69 percent Hispanic, and just 4 percent African American.

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In the 2016 U.S House of Representatives elections, no Republican incumbent from Texas lost and only one was elected with less than 55 percent. In 2018, two lost and 10 received less than 55 percent. In 2016, four incumbent Republicans in Texas’ House were defeated and only four won with majorities under 55 percent. In 2018, there were eight loses and 16 won with less than 55%. John Cornyn, who recently stepped down as the second-highest Republican leader (majority whip) in the U.S. Senate, has won three terms with majorities of 55.3 percent, 54.8 percent and 61.6 percent but seems headed for a more competitive race next year. No wonder Rep. Cheri Bustos of Illinois, chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, says Texas is “ground zero” for Democratic attempts to strengthen their hold on the House.

Nationally, Republicans are decreasingly strong where two generations ago they were especially robust — in suburbs. Texas ranks high among the states in terms of the percentage of the population that is suburban. And statewide, whites are a minority.
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Greg Walden, Oregon's 2nd congressional district retiring at the end of his term.
Rep. Greg Walden, the top Republican on the powerful House Energy and Commerce Committee, will retire at the end of this Congress, the veteran lawmaker announced Monday.

The 62-year-old Walden, who was first elected in 1998, said he was confident he'd win reelection but decided instead to end his congressional career in Jan. 2021.

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"Based on recent polling, strong fundraising, and the backing of my wife and family, I am confident I could earn the support of 2nd District voters for another term. I’m also optimistic that a path exists for Republicans to recapture a majority in the House, and that I could return for two more years as chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Walden said in a statement given to POLITICO. “But I also know that for me, the time has come to pursue new challenges and opportunities."
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There's no way back
from there to here

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Did not see that coming.
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It's not fun being in the minority in the House of Representatives. His district is R+14, so he'd get re-elected. But he has hopes for a cabinet position in the 2021 Trump-Putin Administration.

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He must be pretty sure trump is going to win. Insider trading?
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Meadows probably didn't make any friends in the NC GOP with this announcement. The filing deadline to run for his seat is Friday. Someone's going to have to work awfully fast to even be on the ballot.

Also, I think the post of Chief of Staff is more likely.
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fierceredpanda wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:35 am
Meadows probably didn't make any friends in the NC GOP with this announcement. The filing deadline to run for his seat is Friday. Someone's going to have to work awfully fast to even be on the ballot.

Also, I think the post of Chief of Staff is more likely.
By "filing deadline" does that mean somebody only needs to file paperwork, or is there a fee/signature collection thingie that needs to happen by tomorrow, as well?

And the reason I ask is because, at our impeachment rally last Tuesday, somebody was collecting signatures "to get on the (local) ballot."
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Slim Cognito wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:51 am
fierceredpanda wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:35 am
Meadows probably didn't make any friends in the NC GOP with this announcement. The filing deadline to run for his seat is Friday. Someone's going to have to work awfully fast to even be on the ballot.

Also, I think the post of Chief of Staff is more likely.
By "filing deadline" does that mean somebody only needs to file paperwork, or is there a fee/signature collection thingie that needs to happen by tomorrow, as well?

And the reason I ask is because, at our impeachment rally last Tuesday, somebody was collecting signatures "to get on the (local) ballot."
In Wisconsin, candidates are required to have a number of signatures petitioning for their candidacy by the filing deadline, but from my perusal of the NC rules, it appears that a notice of candidacy and the filing fee of just north of $1000 is all that is required. However, I would defer to Foggy on this, since NC is his stomping grounds. I may be missing something.

The deadline is definitely 12/20/19, though. Tick tock.
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Retiring at an age younger than most members of congress? Apparently receiving that Parnas money and it being public made him rethink his position.

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Mark Meadows no longer darkening the door of the House is great news! If the speculation is that he will be the new Chief of Staff ( :wave: Mick Mulvaney) the #ETTD rule will kick in. Win-win.
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TexasFilly wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:42 am
Mark Meadows no longer darkening the door of the House is great news! If the speculation is that he will be the new Chief of Staff ( :wave: Mick Mulvaney) the #ETTD rule will kick in. Win-win.

Mark Meadows just dodged a question about Lev Parnas donatin' to his campaign while receivin' money from a Russian oligarach.

Mark this down. Mark Meadows sudden "retirement" is 100% linked to his ties to Colludy Rudy's henchman, Lev Parnas.

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I pressed McCarthy about the earlier question about John Dingell and asked my own about the claims that Giuliani's associate Parnas received $1 million from oligarch Firtash.

He praised Dingell, without addressing Trump's remarks.

On Parnas, he changed subject to FISA court.

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Newsweek
North Dakota Farmer Says If Trump 'Doesn't Lose 100 Percent' of His Farm-belt Support Over Trade War 'People Are Kind of Crazy'

'Donald Trump's trade war with China is hemorrhaging support from his rural base which helped put him into the White House, farmers hit financially by his policies have warned.

Last week, the National Farmers Union said that Trump was making things "worse, not better" by escalating tariffs on China, adding in a statement that, ″instead of looking to solve existing problems in our agricultural sector, this administration has just created new ones."

Bob Kuylen, a wheat and sunflower farmer from South Heart, North Dakota, says he has endured a tough time since Trump came into office, including losses of up to $400,000. ...

A farmer of 40 years' standing, Kuylen did not vote for Trump in the last election. He said that those in the farm-belt who did back Trump in 2016 would be foolish to do so in 2020.

"If he doesn't lose 100 percent of it from the farm belt then people are kind of crazy because this is not going well for farmers at all," he told CNN host Don Lemon (via Grabien.)

"I mean, some of them are trying to be faithful, they made that decision and voted for him but I would have to say in the back of their minds they are just not very happy right now."

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One of the few farmers who can actually think. I thought a farmer needed to be highly educated to be able to make a profit in today's environment. Apparently something doesn't always happen when I try to think.
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I don't doubt that one needs to be highly skilled to run a farm these days, and a lot of that would come from life experience. So why would they stick with trump? Maybe he's like an addictive drug and Fox News, Breitbart, etc, are the needles. Except even an addict knows what he's doing is bad for him. These people don't seem to have even that much self awareness.
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I wonder what farmers think about Trump's "war on windmills?"

That a significant source of income for some of them.

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Slim Cognito wrote:
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I don't doubt that one needs to be highly skilled to run a farm these days, and a lot of that would come from life experience. So why would they stick with trump? Maybe he's like an addictive drug and Fox News, Breitbart, etc, are the needles. Except even an addict knows what he's doing is bad for him. These people don't seem to have even that much self awareness.
Like many professions, farmers are specialists. In many ways they are like small business owners, really good at what they do, but the romanization of their line of work goes to their head and dials their dunning kruger level up to 11, which makes them extra susceptible to smooth talk that makes them feel good, appealing to their self value and agreeing with their prejudices.

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I'm not sure what is meant by a "farmer" anymore. I see small farms that may be run by an apple-cheeked couple and some apple-cheeked children but I doubt that's where most grocery store food is coming from. I also see giant sprawls of land with giant industrial-sized silos and outbuildings that look like they're run by giant conglomerates. Also considered a "farm." What is a "farmer" and how many of them are there?

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Why should they bail on Trump? They aren't suffering any consequences that they can't just blame on the next Democrat. Right now, they are getting their bailouts. By the time they realize they have lost their hard won customer base, the ones they toiled for years to establish, there will be a Democrat in the White House and all the BS they listen to daily on AM radio will help keep them convinced that Trump's trade wars were in their best interest and now that the evil Democrat is in the White House they are suffering.
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neeneko wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:29 am
Like many professions, farmers are specialists. In many ways they are like small business owners, really good at what they do, but the romanization of their line of work goes to their head and dials their dunning kruger level up to 11, which makes them extra susceptible to smooth talk that makes them feel good, appealing to their self value and agreeing with their prejudices.
Instead of the Spanish Steps, the apple, cherry and peach farmers in WA have Mexican Stepladders for the migrant workers to pick their fruit.

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Jcolvin2 wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:59 pm
neeneko wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:29 am
Like many professions, farmers are specialists. In many ways they are like small business owners, really good at what they do, but the romanization of their line of work goes to their head and dials their dunning kruger level up to 11, which makes them extra susceptible to smooth talk that makes them feel good, appealing to their self value and agreeing with their prejudices.
Instead of the Spanish Steps, the apple, cherry and peach farmers in WA have Mexican Stepladders for the migrant workers to pick their fruit.
Heh. that is what I get for typing too quickly ^_^

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Jcolvin2 wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:59 pm
neeneko wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:29 am
Like many professions, farmers are specialists. In many ways they are like small business owners, really good at what they do, but the romanization of their line of work goes to their head and dials their dunning kruger level up to 11, which makes them extra susceptible to smooth talk that makes them feel good, appealing to their self value and agreeing with their prejudices.
Instead of the Spanish Steps, the apple, cherry and peach farmers in WA have Mexican Stepladders for the migrant workers to pick their fruit.
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One thing I've learned talking to conservatives in vulnerable GOP states/districts lately: If a senator or member was among those who criticized Trump or pulled their endorsement over the Access Hollywood tape, it is still, 3+ years later, one of the first things voters bring up.
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It's like an original sin. One rep whose primary I'm covering, for example, has voted with Trump ~97% of the time. But I talked to voters who still called this person a "Never Trumper," even though they were really only able to cite criticism of the Access Hollywood tape.
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