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Centrist Democrats seize on state election wins to rail against Warren's agenda

A group of Senate Democrats are arguing that big wins in Kentucky, Virginia and Pennsylvania this week show why the party needs to nominate a moderate instead of a progressive candidate such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

These Democrats note that this week's victories in suburban areas that have traditionally voted Republican were scored by moderate candidates who ran as practical problem solvers and not as “bold,” big-idea progressives in the mold of Warren or Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

While lawmakers are careful not to directly criticize Warren, a colleague, they believe Tuesday’s state and local elections bolsters the argument for a nominee with centrist credentials such as former Vice President Joe Biden.

Senate Democrats need to pick up three GOP-held seats and control of the White House to win back the majority they lost in 2014. Republicans currently hold 53 Senate seats to the Democrats’ 47.

The key states they are targeting in 2020 — Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Maine and North Carolina — more closely resemble the battleground areas of Kentucky, Virginia and Pennsylvania that swung Democratic on Tuesday than the liberal hotbeds of California, Massachusetts and New York, which together have accounted for 48 percent of Warren’s fundraising.

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While lawmakers are careful not to directly criticize Warren ...
Oh, come on. I haven't been that mean to people who directly criticize her. Those are just rumors and it was some other guy and I wasn't home that day and my mom can't read what I said anyway because she passed away many years ago.

I don't know how these silly rumors get started, anyway. :nope: :talktothehand:
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Obama Says Average American Doesn’t Want to ‘Tear Down System’

Former President Barack Obama, in an address to liberal donors, warned candidates not to go too far left and sought to calm those who were concerned about the state of the Democratic primary.


WASHINGTON — Former President Barack Obama offered an unusual warning to the Democratic primary field on Friday evening, cautioning the candidates not to move too far to the left in their policy proposals, even as he sought to reassure a party establishment worried about the electoral strength of their historically large primary field.

Speaking before a room of wealthy liberal donors, Mr. Obama urged Democrats to remember the long, combative slog of his primary campaign against Hillary Clinton in 2008, arguing that the 16 month battle ultimately made him a stronger general election candidate.

“For those who get stressed about robust primaries, I just have to remind you I had a very robust primary,” he told the group of several hundred donors and organizational leaders in Washington. “I’m confident that at the end of the process we will have a candidate that has been tested.”

Yet, he also raised concerns about some of the liberal ideas being promoted by some candidates, citing health care and immigration as issues where the proposals may have gone further than public opinion.

While Mr. Obama did not single out any specific primary candidate or policy proposal, he cautioned that the universe of voters that could support a Democratic candidate — Democrats, independents and moderate Republicans — are not driven by the same views reflected on “certain left-leaning twitter feeds” or “the activist wing of our party.”

“Even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision we also have to be rooted in reality,” Mr. Obama said. “The average American doesn’t think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it.”

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‘Scared to death’: The left sees an establishment plot to take down Warren, Sanders

Progressives charge latecomer candidacies are an attempt to crush an ascendant left wing.


LONG BEACH, Calif. — Democratic donors say they want Michael Bloomberg and Deval Patrick to run for president because they’re petrified that a left-wing candidate can’t defeat President Donald Trump.

But progressives see a more sinister effort afoot.

Aides and allies to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, among other liberals, perceive the eleventh-hour campaign launched last week by Patrick — and the prospect of an impending Bloomberg 2020 bid — as an attempt to crush an ascendant left wing that would expand government more than any other Democratic president in decades.

In their view, Patrick and Bloomberg are stalking horses for moderate Democrats, high-dollar contributors and bundlers desperate to halt the momentum of the economic populists at the top of the polls — and regain control of the party levers.

It’s no minor intra-party spat in an election where all wings of the Democratic Party will need to be working in concert to beat Trump.

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How Moderates Are Seizing the Moment in the Democratic Primary

New entrants into the race. A nod from Barack Obama. Centrist victories in governor’s contests. Moderates sense a favorable shift.


LAS VEGAS — After spending months in anxious passivity, staking their hopes on Joseph R. Biden Jr. and little else, moderate Democrats appear suddenly determined to fight for control of their party in the 2020 elections.

The shift in attitude has come in fits and starts over the last few weeks, seemingly more as an organic turn in the political season than as a product of coordinated action by party leaders. But each assertive act has seemed to build on the one before, starting with a debate-stage clash last month over “Medicare for all” and culminating in recent days with the entry of two new moderate candidates into the primary, Michael R. Bloomberg and Deval Patrick, and a gentle warning from former President Barack Obama that Democrats should not overestimate voters’ appetite for drastic change.

Most convincing to some Democrats may be the off-year elections this month in Kentucky and Louisiana, where moderate-to-conservative Democrats prevailed in governors’ races that President Trump worked strenuously to win for his party. The victories bolstered the argument, advanced by some leading Democrats, that the party could peel away some of Mr. Trump’s supporters in 2020 by avoiding “litmus test” battles and courting the political middle.

“Clearly, factually, people who voted for Trump voted for our Democratic gubernatorial candidates,” said Gov. Gina Raimondo of Rhode Island, a moderate who leads the Democratic Governors Association. She said Democrats could win those voters in 2020 with a “message of unity” and pragmatic promises on issues like health care and student debt.

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The left smells a rat in Bloomberg, Patrick bids

Progressives charge latecomer candidacies are an attempt to crush an ascendant left wing.


LONG BEACH, Calif. — Democratic donors say they want Michael Bloomberg and Deval Patrick to run for president because they’re petrified that a left-wing candidate can’t defeat President Donald Trump.

But progressives see a more sinister effort afoot.

Aides and allies to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, among other liberals, perceive the eleventh-hour campaign launched last week by Patrick — and the prospect of an impending Bloomberg 2020 bid — as an attempt to crush an ascendant left wing that would expand government more than any other Democratic president in decades.

In their view, Patrick and Bloomberg are stalking horses for moderate Democrats, high-dollar contributors and bundlers desperate to halt the momentum of the economic populists at the top of the polls — and regain control of the party levers. ...

“There’s clearly anxiety from parts of the Democratic Party establishment and donor class about becoming a party that is unapologetic about taking on oligarchs, whether they’re Donald Trump or Jeff Bezos,” said Waleed Shahid, a former Sanders aide who now works for the progressive group Justice Democrats. “While he’ll basically try to buy votes through tons of ads, billionaire candidates like Bloomberg remain deeply unpopular. Deval’s supporters compare him to Obama, but forget that Obama also ran as an outsider populist in the 2008 primaries.”

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Moderate muscle rises against Dems’ 2020 left

The early boom for 2020 Democrats' left turn is yielding to moderate muscle as Elizabeth Warren falls, Joe Biden persists and Pete Buttigieg rises.
What's happening: Poll after poll shows voters like the idea of Medicare for All. But the second you tell them about costs and tradeoffs, they turn on it.

Why it matters: A harsh spotlight on Warren's specifics collided with Mike Bloomberg's massive spending on a moderate message, as well as rising angst among donors and investors about risks of Warren-Sanders socialism.
Warren collapsed in the latest national Quinnipiac University poll just as she's been diving into the details of how she'd pass Medicare for All — and fending off a barrage of attacks from her more moderate rivals.
She's not the only Democrat who's run into trouble. Kamala Harris realized she could be checkmating herself by dismissing private health insurance — which is why she changed her Medicare for All plan to allow private insurers to offer Medicare plans.

And in an interview for "Axios on HBO," she told Axios' Margaret Talev she knew there could be a political price to pay for changing her plan — but says she told her team that "we need to do a better plan. This is not good enough."

There's a reason Medicare for All has dominated every health care discussion at every debate, as Axios' David Nather points out: it's a real problem for the liberal candidates. Not just because of the cost, but because not all Americans actually want to dump private health insurance.

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New York Times OpEd: Why Progressive Candidates Should Invoke Conservative Values

Research suggests they would gain moderate and conservative support — without losing ground among their base.

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WaPo - Andrew Gillum
‘Socialism’ is a GOP smear. Democrats have to fight back.

A few days after I became the Democratic nominee for governor of Florida, the Republican nominee, Ron DeSantis, visited the historically Cuban neighborhood of Little Havana in Miami and read aloud, in Spanish, from a note card: “El socialismo sería un desastre para la Florida.”

Attack ads and targeted mailers soon followed. President Trump visited Florida three times to amplify the attacks, and his diatribes about the dangers of socialism were broadcast to every home in the state.

The messages used in my race for governor will again dominate the airwaves here and elsewhere in 2020.

It’s time to face a hard truth: We, as Democrats, have allowed it to happen. We have responded to this unfair attack with well-intended, but scattershot, defenses. ...

In a state that is consistently won or lost by a single percentage point — or in my race, even less — the Latino vote will again be crucial in 2020. More than 1.3 million Floridians are immigrants, or the children of immigrants, from authoritarian Latin American nations.

Democrats need to make a strong case, and soon, that we are fighting for economic freedom and opportunity — and it is Republican ideas that are diminishing freedom and opportunity for millions.

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Joe Biden Denies Ocasio-Cortez Has Dragged the Democrats to the Left: 'The Party's Not There'

Presidential contender Joe Biden has dismissed claims that his party has been dragged to the left by the progressive policies of progressive Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

In an interview with Axios on HBO, set to be broadcast on Sunday, the former vice president blamed the media for portraying the Democrats as being more liberal than they actually were and this was down to the influence of politicians like Ocasio-Cortez.

When asked about whether sweeping health care reform policy would be "party suicide" in 2020, Biden replied that "the party's not there." ...

Biden insisted that the healthcare debate showed that the media had misread the direction that the Democrats were taking.

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Politico - Holly Otterbein
‘Trump changed everything’: Big cities break hard left in Democratic primary

PHILADELPHIA — In the shadow of Joe Biden’s campaign headquarters sitting across from City Hall, Elizabeth Warren has snagged endorsements from Mayor Jim Kenney, District Attorney Larry Krasner, and two incoming City Council members here.

It’s a far cry from the 2016 primary, when the vast majority of the city’s Democratic establishment lined up behind Hillary Clinton, and gave the cold shoulder to her progressive opponent, Bernie Sanders.

From New York City to Los Angeles, many of the nation’s biggest cities have turned even harder to the left under President Donald Trump, putting pressure on local officials to embrace the leading progressive presidential candidates — or withhold their endorsements entirely for fear of antagonizing newly energized activists. It’s a drastic political shift in some places, where for decades entrenched party bosses crushed any signs of life on the left or tended to put the weight of big-city institutional support behind Democratic establishment-oriented candidates.

“The progressive, structural change agenda has captivated the grassroots, and local elected officials are the first people to notice those changes and trends and adapt,” said Maurice Mitchell, national director of the left-wing Working Families Party. “There is a ceiling on transactional, machine power. It’s considerable, it’s real — but there’s a ceiling on it.” ...

But not all of the shift can be explained by newly elected Democrats. Michael Gianaris, the New York Senate deputy majority leader who represents western Queens, raised eyebrows in local political circles when he backed Sanders this year after endorsing Clinton in 2016.

“The election of Donald Trump changed everything for a lot of us,” he said. “The best way to defeat a troublesome zealot like that is to make the strongest case for dramatic change, and I think Bernie Sanders does that.”

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Politico Mag - Ruairí Arrieta-Kenna: How the Cool Kids of the Left Turned on Elizabeth Warren

The socialists of Jacobin magazine used to treat her like a promising alternative to Bernie Sanders. Now they write as if she’s almost as bad as Joe Biden. What gives?

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Daily Beast (paywall) - Matt Lewis
How Sane and Normal Democrats Are Saving America

In the GOP, the rank and file is nuts, while the elites are more moderate. On the Democratic side, it’s just the opposite. And it’s what may save this country.

Something funny happened on the way to the revolution: Democratic voters decided not to have one, opting, instead, for trying to win an election.

In a sense, this was its own revolt against what had become conventional wisdom. And if it turns out that Democrats are able to recapture the White House in 2020, the credit will belong to a silent majority of Democrats who put the brakes on a political party that was careening leftward.

No one has been more pleasantly surprised than I have. Citing Beto apologizing for being white and Bernie allowing his campaign staff to unionize, I warned Dems they were too woke for their own good. Operating under the same assumptions regarding the incentive structure, Democratic candidates set about confirming my concerns.

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Labour’s Crushing Loss in Britain Adds to ‘Too Far Left?’ Debate in U.S.

Centrist Democrats portrayed Boris Johnson’s victory as a warning sign for the American election. Progressives said there were few similarities between the two political races.


As Britain’s Labour Party grappled on Friday with its worst performance in more than 80 years, centrist Democrats across the Atlantic seized on those election results — with varying degrees of urgency — to argue that their own party risked losing in November by moving too far to the left. The day-after assessments threatened to deepen the tensions between moderates and progressives that have shaped the 2020 presidential campaign from the start.

The comparisons between the Labour Party and the Democratic Party, and between the candidates representing them, are far from perfect, and make it difficult to draw precise parallels to American political dynamics. The British election was focused in significant part on the issue of leaving the European Union, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson pressed to “get Brexit done” and convinced a solid majority of voters that he was on the right path. Mr. Corbyn faced controversies at home, including a crisis in his party over accusations of anti-Semitism.

But moderate presidential candidates, strategists and other party leaders in the United States said Friday that the results in Britain offered ominous signs about nominating a candidate perceived as out of the political mainstream. ...

Mr. Biden, a former Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman and leading moderate contender, likely stands to gain the most, among the top contenders, from fears that the results in Britain offer warnings for Democrats. At a fund-raiser on Thursday, he appeared to echo aspects of Mr. Carville’s concerns, saying: “You’re also going to see people saying, ‘My God, Boris Johnson, who is kind of a physical and emotional clone of the president, is able to win.’”

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Brexit was a harbinger of Trump. We need to get Trump out of office at all costs. And I don't think Sanders, Warren or Buttigieg can do it. Nor will putting Stacey Abrams on the ticket. Time to get real.

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In a sense, this was its own revolt against what had become conventional wisdom. And if it turns out that Democrats are able to recapture the White House in 2020, the credit will belong to a silent majority of Democrats who put the brakes on a political party that was careening leftward.

No one has been more pleasantly surprised than I have. Citing Beto apologizing for being white and Bernie allowing his campaign staff to unionize, I warned Dems they were too woke for their own good. Operating under the same assumptions regarding the incentive structure, Democratic candidates set about confirming my concerns.
i’m just amazed that anyone could seriously adduce “apologizing for being white” & “supporting the right of employees to unionize” as characteristics of a party “careening left.” omg, can the soviet councils be far behind?

unlike everyone else, i haven’t a fucken clue who can win the election. but i continue to be surprised by how so many people are treating a 77 year old man with a penchant for embarrassing himself & no desire to serve more than a term as if he’s a sure winner.
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Salon - Lucian K. Truscott IV
Russia and the Republicans: How Vladimir Putin got an American subsidiary

Russians went looking for allies on the American left for decades. Then they found Trump and the Republicans ...

We’ve got a president of the United States who praises Russian President Vladimir Putin every chance he gets, yet spent the NATO summit last week looking like his mommy was making him eat his peas and carrots. He’s pressuring the other members of the Group of Seven to let Russia back in the club. At a recent meeting with Volodymyr Zelensky, he told the president of Ukraine he hoped Zelensky could “make a deal” with Putin, clearly indicating whose side Trump was on in the dispute over Crimea and eastern Ukraine. Trump and his Republican puppets have spent the last three months spreading Russian propaganda that it was Ukraine, not Russia, who hacked our 2016 election. When Trump pulled U.S. troops out of northern Syria, he turned over abandoned American bases to the Russians. ...

How did we get here? London School of Economics professor Anne Applebaum, writing in this month’s Atlantic, traces the collapse of the Republican Party into Russia’s arms to Pat Buchanan, ironically a former aide to Russia-hater Richard Nixon. ...

American evangelical Christians have joined Buchanan. “The belief that Russia is on our side in the war against secularism and sexual decadence is shared by a host of American Christian leaders,” Applebaum writes, citing evangelist Franklin Graham and Larry Jacobs of the World Congress of Families as among Putin's admirers, who have described Russia under his leadership as “a moral compass” (Buchanan) and “the Christian saviors of the world” (Jacobs).

So here we are. Republicans have been waiting for somebody like Trump for decades. They wanted someone worse than Nixon, worse than Reagan, worse than Bush. They finally found the avatar of their real values in Trump.

Likewise, the Russians have also been waiting for Trump. Call him what you will — a stooge, a useful idiot, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Kremlin — Donald Trump is the best thing that ever happened to Moscow.

Forget that whole “sneaking Sally through the alley” thing Trump pulled with the Russians in 2016. Even during the week the House Judiciary Committee voted to impeach him for trying to strong-arm yet another foreign government into damaging one of his political opponents, Trump met privately with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office. He’s not even trying to hide it anymore. The Republican Party is right there with him.

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The Guardian - Kate Aronoff
Democrats beware – the UK election was actually a terrible night for centrists

TheLabour party’s defeat has been taken as a warning not to stray too far left but the real story has a different lesson for 2020


Britain’s Conservative party won big last on Thursday, and its Labour party –under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn – lost handily, giving Boris Johnson’s Tories their biggest majority since Margaret Thatcher.

Not long after exit poll results came in, pundits across the pond started making bold claims: if Corbyn – what with his leftwing manifesto and socialist politics – could lose so badly against Johnson, surely this spells doom for any allied efforts in the United States, namely the primary candidacies of Bernie Sanders and (to a lesser extent) Elizabeth Warren. Hand either of them the Democratic party’s nomination, they warn, and deliver the country to Trump for another four disastrous years.

This is, to borrow a phrase from our comrades in the UK, bollocks.

There’s plenty of reflection to be done in the coming weeks, months and probably years about why Labour failed to get a victory or even a hung parliament this election – much of it unflattering of Labour and with plenty of lessons for the electoral left stateside.

But what all the finger-wagging about Corbyn and Sanders ignores is that the kind of tepid politics these pundits espouse had an awful night too. The centrist Liberal Democrats – who campaigned harder against Jeremy Corbyn than Boris Johnson – failed to deliver a surge in seats. Its leader, Jo Swinson, lost her own seat after her performance in the general election devolved rapidly. The Lib Dems presented themselves similarly to establishment Democrats across the pond: a respectable third way between the Conservatives and Labour, and effectively a single-issue party committed to staying in the EU by any means necessary. Last spring Nancy Pelosi met with members of Change UK, a collection of Labour MPs who quit the party over opposition to its leftward shift. Two of the three MPs she met with lost their seats last night. The other spent this election season urging marginals – think swing districts, in US-speak – to vote for Johnson.

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Vox: In 2020, Joe Biden and the “moderates” are well to Obama’s left

We are living through the most progressive Democratic primary of all time.

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WaPo Editorial
Democrats can be progressive and practical. Some of the candidates get that.

At Thursday’s Democratic presidential debate, distinctions among the candidates were rooted in different theories of change. The party’s left flank argued that Americans will move in its direction if provided with unapologetic leadership. The relative moderates in the race hewed more closely to where Americans actually are. One path enhances the likelihood of President Trump’s reelection, with all of the damage that implies. The other could lead to responsible government. ...

But one can object to Ms. Warren’s program without being corrupt, and one can look at opinion polling to see that Mr. Sanders’s agenda would scare many Americans, even as it excites some. Their agendas probably would fail at the polls and, if not, would carry extreme risks if they tried to implement them.

By contrast, South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg implored Democrats to “be smart about the promises we’re making, make sure they’re promises that we can keep without the kind of taxation that economists tell us could hurt the economy.” He deplored the “mind-set that measures the bigness of an idea by how many trillions of dollars it adds to the budget or the boldness of an idea by how many fellow Americans it can antagonize.”

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) said Democrats should stick to the strategy that has proved effective election after election: building a coalition of “moderate Republicans and independents, as well as a fired-up Democratic base,” as she did in her Midwestern home state. This does not mean one must sell out one’s principles, she argued, in part because there are many ways to achieve, say, universal health care or college access: “You can be progressive and practical at the same time,” she said.

Democrats must get this right because, as former vice president Joe Biden argued, there can be — in U.S.-style democracy, there must be — cooperation amid legitimate disagreement. “I refuse to accept the notion, as some on this stage do, that we can never, never get to a place where we have cooperation again. If that’s the case, we’re dead as a country.” Democrats can be clear-eyed about the current state of the Republican Party without cheering for further descent into partisanship and polarization.

A “healthy American majority exists for common-sense positions that are also progressive positions,” Mr. Buttigieg said to us in a recent interview. “Whether it’s on climate, whether it’s on health, on wages, even issues where my party has been on defense, like immigration or guns. . . . The job of a nominee, and certainly the job of the president, is to galvanize and not polarize that majority.”

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New York Times - David Leonhardt
How ‘Centrist Bias’ Hurts Sanders and Warren

The media has a bigger problem than liberal bias.


John F. Harris is about as mainstream as the mainstream media gets. He spent 21 years at The Washington Post, including as its political editor. Then he became the founding editor of Politico, where he is now a columnist.

Last month, Harris wrote a column that I can’t get out of my head. In it, he argued that political journalism suffers from “centrist bias.” As he explained, “This bias is marked by an instinctual suspicion of anything suggesting ideological zealotry, an admiration for difference-splitting, a conviction that politics should be a tidier and more rational process than it usually is.”

The bias caused much of the media to underestimate Ronald Reagan in 1980 and Donald Trump in 2016. It also helps explain the negative tone running through a lot of the coverage of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders this year.

Centrist bias, as I see it, confuses the idea of centrism (which is very much an ideology) with objectivity and fairness. It’s an understandable confusion, because American politics is dominated by the two major parties, one on the left and one on the right. And the overwhelming majority of journalists at so-called mainstream outlets — national magazines, newspapers, public radio, the non-Fox television networks — really are doing their best to treat both parties fairly.

In doing so, however, they often make an honest mistake: They equate balance with the midpoint between the two parties’ ideologies. Over the years, many press critics have pointed out one weakness of this approach: false equivalence, the refusal to consider the possibility that one side of an argument is simply (or mostly) right.

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Why Pete Buttigieg Enrages the Young Left

Why is the enmity from young, left-wing activists toward Buttigieg so visceral? It’s true that they favor Bernie Sanders, but Buttigieg comes in for a type of loathing that surpasses even that they hold for Sanders’ older rivals, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren.

The Los Angeles Times’ Matt Pearce compiled a list of potential explanations on Twitter, including that the left may perceive him as a traitor to his generation, a stark opportunist, or the representative of a shadowy and discredited D.C. professional class. The Atlantic’s Derek Thompson also surveyed the theories, ultimately concluding that the continuity with the Obama era that Buttigieg promises might be too much for progressives to stomach. The answer, of course, is likely “all of the above.”

But those explanations are still too general to explain the fury inspired by a fourth-place presidential contender and Midwestern college-town mayor. And it’s not his ideology: The resentment he inspires runs much deeper than that earned by the Amy Klobuchars and Michael Bennets of the world—both of whom have more politically moderate tendencies than Buttigieg, who has, among other positions, argued for raising the minimum wage to $15, introducing a public health care option, expanding the size of the Supreme Court and abolishing the Electoral College. (Asked for comment for this article, a representative from the Buttigieg campaign told Politico that staffers are occasionally vexed by the cold reception to a platform that’s well to the left of any recent Democratic presidential nominee.)

The unspoken truth about the furor Buttigieg arouses is that his success threatens a core belief of young progressives: that their ideology owns the future, and that the rise of millennials into Democratic politics is going to bring an inevitable demographic triumph for the party’s far left wing. ...

So it’s especially galling that the first millennial to take a serious run at the presidency is nothing like the left’s imagined savior. Buttigieg is a veteran, an outspoken Christian, a former McKinsey consultant, and, frankly, closer to Mitt Romney than Sanders or generational peer AOC in his aw shucks personal affect. In the eyes of radicalized young leftists, Buttigieg isn’t just an ideological foe, he’s worse than that: He’s a square.

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Salon - David Masciotra: What does it mean to be "too far left" — and why are conservatives not scolded about centrism?

Only Democrats are expected to make important concessions to the increasingly irrelevant "center"
USA Today - Tom Nichols: Truce? Progressive Democrats need Republican moderates to beat Donald Trump in 2020

Can the center hold? There won't be magical consensus on abortion or guns, but we can save the Constitution and prepare to defeat the next Trump.

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Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:28 am
Salon - David Masciotra: What does it mean to be "too far left" — and why are conservatives not scolded about centrism?

Only Democrats are expected to make important concessions to the increasingly irrelevant "center"
USA Today - Tom Nichols: Truce? Progressive Democrats need Republican moderates to beat Donald Trump in 2020

Can the center hold? There won't be magical consensus on abortion or guns, but we can save the Constitution and prepare to defeat the next Trump.
FWIW, regardless of how I might personally feel about Bernie Sanders, this country is not ready for someone who fully admits he is a Democratic Socialist. (emphasis not necessarily mine)If he gets the nomination I fully expect four more years of Donald Trump.
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Re: Issues 2020: Too Far Left or Mainstream?

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Buttigieg isn’t just an ideological foe, he’s worse than that: He’s a square.
you wouldn’t think you could get that many words out of a thesis which is basically “look at those fucking hipsters” but if anyone could it’s politico
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